English spinners

[Pratters]

With the Crofy daufty man/boy retiring, (its surprising he played 21 tests), I wonder if there are any good English spinners for the future. Croft was in their top 3. And Giles and Batty are sillily funny too I think. Any one thinks highly of some English spinners playing right now?

 

[krkode]

I'm not sure how he is in real life, but Michael Davies of Northamptonshire is good as hec in ICC :wow:

So is Jason Brown from the same team...

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Jason Brown offers nothing that Giles / Batty doesnt have. Its just he plays on the most spinner friendly pitch in england by a country mile.

Theres a number of young spinners (all finger) in the current acadamy squad that show some talent. Shaftab Khalid probably shows the most promise but is VERY inconsistent so unless he can sort that out he wont come anywhere near the england side. But saying that he has only being bowling spin for a year as even tho he is 21 he was a fast bowling before that, until he injured his back i think. So from never bowling spin to Acadamy squad in just 12 months is a combination of his skill and englands desperation for a world class spinner , but to be fair to the lad he does turn it alot and has a very good wrong 'un in fact he's almost a carbon copy of Saqlain but just a bit taller.

 

[Rik]

I'm not sure how he is in real life, but Michael Davies of Northamptonshire is good as hec in ICC :wow:

So is Jason Brown from the same team...

Davies...such a sad story. He was one of my role models, along with Tuffers (get the left-arm-spin connection here?)

Got the yips, doesn't play cricket any more, not even in village cricket. It's affected his confidence too much.

As I said, sad story

 

[Rik]

But saying that he has only being bowling spin for a year as even tho he is 21 he was a fast bowling before that, until he injured his back i think.

Sounds similer to Giles!

 

[krkode]

Dang, that's sad. But what is the yips?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I believe its when a bowler / Darts player / most other sport players just lose the ability to bowl a ball / throw a dart etc.

They just cant do it, they push or pull the ball or just cant let it go at the right time.
Its alot more common in sports that have repetative actions.
I believe Gavin Hamilton got the Yips last year for Yorkshire and just COULDNT bowl the ball properly, although i hear he's got over the problems and is fit for the comming season.

 

[Rik]

I believe its when a bowler / Darts player / most other sport players just lose the ability to bowl a ball / throw a dart etc.

They just cant do it, they push or pull the ball or just cant let it go at the right time.
Its alot more common in sports that have repetative actions.
I believe Gavin Hamilton got the Yips last year for Yorkshire and just COULDNT bowl the ball properly, although i hear he's got over the problems and is fit for the comming season.

Very true on the yips front, not so on the Gavin Hamilton one though. He was released by Yorkshire...

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Yeah but im sure he's signed for another county...cant remember who though.
Im sure i read somewhere how he was now bowling again, although having had a year out or there abouts he isnt back to his best, but he's batting has improved alot apparently cos he's had time to work on it.

 

[krkode]

Dang, that's sad for Davies. I just found his profile on cricinfo. He seemed to have a great career ahead of him.

 

[Rik]

Dang, that's sad for Davies. I just found his profile on cricinfo. He seemed to have a great career ahead of him.

He did, being lined up as the next Tuffers

 

[SpaceMonkey]

He did, being lined up as the next Tuffers

I've lost count how many times a young promising english cricket has being SO hyped by the media as the next big thing, or comparing them to someone good.
Surely it cant help their development

 

[iamdavid]

If you havent got any spinners good enough then why pick em , at least in England , they're obviously essential overseas.

With a bit of work Chris Schofeild could be a prospect , he actually turns the ball (Giles must envy him) & he's good enough to hold down a FC spot on his batting alone so he's as good if not a better batsman than Giles.

I really dont see the point in picking a finger spinner to perform a very negative role on unhelpful surfaces.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

If you havent got any spinners good enough then why pick em , at least in England , they're obviously essential overseas.

With a bit of work Chris Schofeild could be a prospect , he actually turns the ball (Giles must envy him) & he's good enough to hold down a FC spot on his batting alone so he's as good if not a better batsman than Giles.

I really dont see the point in picking a finger spinner to perform a very negative role on unhelpful surfaces.

I seriously hope you are joking Schofield is the WORSE full time spinner in the English game atm imo. If it wasnt for his batting he wouldnt even get in the Lancashire 2nd XI let alone in the first.
Its pointless spinning a ball if you cant land it in the same spot twice, have NO flight and can only turn the ball slowly.
The only reason he got so hyped up was due to the fact he was the only young english leggie in the entire country at the time. Which in itself is a sad state of affairs.

 

[iamdavid]

I seriously hope you are joking Schofield is the WORSE full time spinner in the English game atm imo. If it wasnt for his batting he wouldnt even get in the Lancashire 2nd XI let alone in the first.
Its pointless spinning a ball if you cant land it in the same spot twice, have NO flight and can only turn the ball slowly.
The only reason he got so hyped up was due to the fact he was the only young english leggie in the entire country at the time. Which in itself is a sad state of affairs.

Note where I said "with a bit of work" , namely improving his control , he turns the ball a lot & he's got a good temperament , not scared to toss it up & buy a wicket.


Worst specialist spinner in England , mate there are some very , very poor spinners in England , Schofield is no world beater , but he has potential.

 

[Craig]

If you havent got any spinners good enough then why pick em , at least in England , they're obviously essential overseas.

Well I believe you must play your best bowlers (you have to be flexible though) and I can assure you mate it will bring up the "variation" agruement.

 

[Rik]

Well I believe you must play your best bowlers (you have to be flexible though) and I can assure you mate it will bring up the "variation" agruement.

The problem is that if the "variation" costs you more runs than a seamer, then I would pick the seamer.

 

[Rik]

I've lost count how many times a young promising english cricket has being SO hyped by the media as the next big thing, or comparing them to someone good.
Surely it cant help their development

He wasn't hyped up, but he was in the selectors' thoughts and was off on "A" tours.

 

[Rik]

I seriously hope you are joking Schofield is the WORSE full time spinner in the English game atm imo. /B]

No way! Certainly not the worst! And Schofield was picked due to showing that he could take wickets with sharp-turning deliveries, a strike bowler who would cost you runs but if he got it right would be unplayable. I hope he gets his confidence back.

As for the comment on his batting by David, he's a good batsman but he's totally unorthodox, I'm not sure how he would fair at Test level although a 50 in his 2nd match showed his potential. He's interisting to watch and has a great eye. Whenever I watch him bat he reminds me of how I bat, other than I drive more.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Whenever I watch him bat he reminds me of how I bat, other than I drive more.

You have my condolences Rik 8D :O

Lets just hope we have 2-3 good wrist spinners in this so called leg-spin acadamy. Shouldnt be too long now till we see some of the first lot starting to play county games or at least some england u-19 cricket. (I HOPE! :saint: )