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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    wtf lol.

    He's averaging around 20 this year and his overall has fallen from roughly 57 to 55. Plus he's now 38 and there's hardly anything he can gain in 1 yr. On the flip side, he could end up playing too long and hurting his overall stats even more. He's the last of the true ATGs and don't want him to slip further and let Sangakkara of all people end with clearly the highest average from the last generation.
    Sanga 57
    Kallis 55.4 ---> ~53/54 if he plays till world cup. I don't think he's good enough anymore. He struggled in the IPL as well after a long time. Plus he took 5 months off from the game this year, which is worst thing to do at this age. I strongly doubt he'll be able to consistently perform again. He's barely played any ODI cricket in the last two years, yet he believes he can go out there and perform in the world cup in another 1 year as an all-rounder. Will end up having one of the worst endings around imo.

    I think I was one of the few who advocated Tendulkar to retire all throughout 2011 but he had to totally mess up his stats and legacy.
    Ponting due to his stubbornes eked out 2 extra yrs. Time to him to go was 2010 after the Ashes (in Tests). Had one of worst declines around. Meanwhile, Dravid had been struggling since 2007 against all nations except the weaker ones, but luckily had a great series in England which salvaged his legacy. But still he embarrased himself in Aus with so many bowled dismissals and finished with a low avg of 51 after at one point being right up there with Ponting with avg of close to 60.
    Hence it would be dumb of Kallis to not learn anything from his contemporaries' mistakes.

    How sad would this look-

    Ponting and Dravid 51
    Lara 52
    Tendulkar and Kallis 53
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    Sangakkara 56 (He would end up being held in much higher regard in future than he is now. )

    Yes, I don't see Sangakkara as an ATG and would love for him to play till 41 and finish with <50 avg. But he's super clever guy and I see him retiring after the next world cup with his avg and stats intact.

    Say whatever cricketers' are mostly judged by their averages, especially in the subsequent eras. So hence why my emphasis is on that.
    Yeah Viv's last few years which reduced his average has really hurt his reputation hasn't it? Other than like 4 people on CW, no one judges him based on his final average.

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    Also LOL @ you saying Sanga is super clever and so he'l retire to protect his average. Wtf.

    Such silly posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Who cares if Kallis' average goes down by two or three runs. People whose opinions on cricket are worth listening to don't judge players by final average.

    Like everyone, Kallis should retire when he doesn't want to play anymore.

    If he's no longer contributing to the team then he'll be dropped.

    Retiring because he doesn't want to harm his stats is the worst reason to retire, and one which he would regret for the rest of his life.
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    Nah Kallis should go now, would hate for him to be keeping the likes of Jacques Rudolph and Dean Elgar waiting in the wings
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    Honestly reckon the WIndies need to start looking beyond Chanderpaul and investing in some young batting talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Yeah Viv's last few years which reduced his average has really hurt his reputation hasn't it? Other than like 4 people on CW, no one judges him based on his final average.
    Viv had a huge legacy behind him. He is an anomaly. 2nd or 3rd greatest ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Who cares if Kallis' average goes down by two or three runs. People whose opinions on cricket are worth listening to don't judge players by final average.

    Like everyone, Kallis should retire when he doesn't want to play anymore.

    If he's no longer contributing to the team then he'll be dropped.

    Retiring because he doesn't want to harm his stats is the worst reason to retire, and one which he would regret for the rest of his life.
    But if Ponting had retired two-three yrs earlier, he'd be seen in much better light, wouldn't he? Not only would his avg have been higher, his legacy would've been kept intact more or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Also LOL @ you saying Sanga is super clever and so he'l retire to protect his average. Wtf.

    Such silly posting.
    Let's wait and see. After the next world cup, as soon as he has a little decline, he'll hang his boots imo.

    And everyone seems to be forgetting that Viv dominated both the formats, so his legacy was never going to take much of a hit especially because he is from an era where cricket wasn't televised anywhere near as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    But if Ponting had retired two-three yrs earlier, he'd be seen in much better light, wouldn't he? Not only would his avg have been higher, his legacy would've been kept intact more or less.
    By who?

    People who watched him would rightly rate him in the top echelon of batsmen of this era. Couldn't care less about the number next to his name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Averages hardly matter as much as you've made out. Viv averaged lower than Gavaskar and Miandad, yet he's almost unanimously rated higher. Kallis isn't in good form but saying he's already in decline is premature.

    Also Sangakkara isn't an ATG? Come on.... I don't rate him as high as his average suggests but he's undoubtedly an ATG
    Average outside the subcontinent is a fair 40....which is more in the good category than great...excluding Zimbabwe. Averages in the 30s in a number of countries ( not 1 or 2). People will point to a knock in NZ or the Hobart ton but you could do that for even the Samaraweeras, Sehwags and Jayawardenes of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post

    Yes, I don't see Sangakkara as an ATG and would love for him to play till 41 and finish with <50 avg. But he's super clever guy and I see him retiring after the next world cup with his avg and stats intact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamuddin View Post
    Honestly reckon the WIndies need to start looking beyond Chanderpaul and investing in some young batting talent.
    like?

    Chanders is easily in the Windies best six batsmen, even if he's going through a bit of a dip. If anything he needs to move up the order to four so he has time to compile a big score without getting stranded by the lower middle order.

    The Windies are already investing in Bravo and Powell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mumma_choose View Post
    Average outside the subcontinent is a fair 40....which is more in the good category than great...excluding Zimbabwe. Averages in the 30s in a number of countries ( not 1 or 2). People will point to a knock in NZ or the Hobart ton but you could do that for even the Samaraweeras, Sehwags and Jayawardenes of the world.
    Sehwag is unique. He can't be clubbed together with the others because of what he brought to the table as a test cricketer at his best. I wouldn't personally call him one of the greats but wouldn't try to convince others he wasn't one either if someone said he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mumma_choose View Post
    Average outside the subcontinent is a fair 40....which is more in the good category than great...excluding Zimbabwe. Averages in the 30s in a number of countries ( not 1 or 2). People will point to a knock in NZ or the Hobart ton but you could do that for even the Samaraweeras, Sehwags and Jayawardenes of the world.
    I agree with those points actually... He does have a few holes in his record which is why I can't put him up there with Sachin Lara ponting and Kallis. That doesn't mean he isn't a great player though

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