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    Seam movement - Random or not?

    I've always thought that by its very definition, seam movement was the random deviation of the ball when it lands on its seam.
    I used to attend this cricket coaching camp organised by Kiran More in Vadodara and one of the coaches there used to tell the bowlers to try and seam the ball back into the bowler by angling the seam or something. But I always thought angling the seam is used to produce swing, not seam movement, and so always thought that coach was talking out of his backside. On the other hand I've seen Kulasekara almost without fail seam the ball back into the right hander when he bowls the inswinger instead of it straightening the other way. So is it completely random or can the bowler do something to influence which way it'll move off the deck?
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    Apologies if this has been asked before, obviously

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    I doubt someone like Asif or Philander has complete control over how a delivery seams.
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    I used to run in and release the ball seam up and hope for the best, and occasionally I could get it to seam quite a lot, but it was pretty much random. But there are ways to somewhat increase the likelihood of the ball seaming one way or the other by angling the seam I believe, but I always thought just keeping the seam upright and seeing what happened was the best way to go.
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    McGrath to Warner. All stars T20 v Australia. Look it up on YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    McGrath to Warner. All stars T20 v Australia. Look it up on YouTube
    Seam movement or just purely angling the ball across him and pushing it wider?

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    Doesn't a green wicket assist seam movement?

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    Can't say as I know **** all about this, but you always hear the commentators talk about "angling the seam towards the slips"........I always assumed the bowler (well good ones anyway LOL) had some control over the seam movement off the deck.

    Good thread OP, be interesting to hear what some of our cluey posters have to say.

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    Going to suggest that the amount and direction (forward or backward) of rotation you impart on the ball at the point of release can affect seam movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    Can't say as I know **** all about this, but you always hear the commentators talk about "angling the seam towards the slips"........I always assumed the bowler (well good ones anyway LOL) had some control over the seam movement off the deck.
    That's to do with swing.

    A lot of what looks like seam movement is actually just very late, minimal swing -e.g. Zaheer Khan used to be quite good at this.

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    Not random. Not perfectly controllable or predictable.
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    I remember Angus Fraser being asked in an interview what his stock ball was. He said that it was the one that seamed back in to the right-hander, because he tried to take the ball away from the bat but more often than not it did the opposite. It's maybe telling that such a high-class exponent of the art should have so little control over seam movement.

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    ^^^^^^^ almost word-for-word what I was going to say.

    McGrath had it right for many reasons but one in particular was how blokes like him put the ball in such a good spot, it essentially becomes irrelevant whether the ball comes in or goes out because it's going to be tough to play regardless. Big sideways movement isn't anywhere near as important against good players as introducing that split second of doubt in whether they should go back or forward, for example.

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