The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
I'm a bit of a medium pace dobbler.
My standard ball just swings away, but I always feel like if I face the seam on an angle toward leg slip and it stays relatively upright on the way down, it's likely to hit the seam on an angle that'll jag the ball back in to the batsman's pads.
I tend to think that good bowlers with good seam position do have some control over which side of the seam will hit the dirt and therefore which way the ball will move. Makes sense that if the axis of rotation is slightly off perpendicular one way or the other then the ball will predictably move in a certain direction. Since others have brought up their own hack bowling, I too find when I try to bowl outswing the seam position often comes out such that the ball seams in (gently) to the batsman. I know this is Outswing: You're Doing It Wrong, but I get this result fairly consistently. So it makes sense to me that someone who has mastered the art of bowling could use this deliberately to their advantage.
However there are certainly other times or other bowlers who make no attempt to control which way the ball may seam and are happy to leave it to chance. Peter Siddle does this sometimes. Holds the ball at a slight angle and then rips his fingers down the back of the ball (not quite along the axis of the seam). Seam comes out a little scrambled and has a fairly good chance to move one way our the other when it pitches, though i find it hard to believe he knows which way it will move and the batsman sure as hell doesn't either.
I think good bowlers generally do have an idea which way the ball will seam but how much is something that they probably don't have an idea about
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
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Why not? If you're capable of getting the seam position just so in order that you get the type and amount of swing you want, why can't you do the same for seam movement?
That's not to say natural variation off the wicket isn't a factor, or even a big one. But I think we might be selling some of these guys short.
2) Some international bowlers honestly have no idea however. They just bowl seam up and get it to nibble either way at random. Ewen Chatfield subscribed to this theory.
3) This may be getting into how to suck eggs territory but the above two points I have made already have gone there - so I will add that there is a more reliable method of moving the old ball around off the deck - and that is just through cutters and rolling your fingers down the side of the ball. Imparting leg spin at pace with just two fingers is harder to master than an off cutter but is the more rewarding one to have in your control. The final trick in the bag is the top spinner bowled at pace while holding it across the seam. Invariably it hits the seam and pops and is the perfect bouncer.
4) I think the perfect example of someone deliberately seaming the ball at will was Hadlee to Greg Mathews during his 9-52. He brought one back in and nailed him in the box. The next ball he seamed it the same way and again right at his nuts and Matthews wanted no part of it and it bowled him.
[QUOTE=Hurricane;3158358]1) Yes. Some of those bowlers have close to perfect seam presentation. Watch some slow motion replays of the best bowlers in the world and you will see it is not a big deal for them to accomplish.
I remember that in countless Sharjah ODI tournaments they would show slow motion replays of wasim's bowling and the seam was absolutely perfectly rotating before bouncing and wasn't wobbling before hitting the pitch
If seem movement was random, then we'd all be as good Glen McGrath
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It's really not as difficult as you suggest to know what angle the seam will be at when it lands though, it should be the same angle you released it at.
The premise behind swing and seam is essentially the same. You get the seam pointing in the right direction and away you go. As TC said, with seam you're looking to hit the deck in the right spot more often than not, with a really good seam position, and then let the ball do the work.
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