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    Sobers - an under achiever , better than stats = general view

    even if we agree Bradman would have averaged 80-90 in a more competitive era of Sobers , he is still a lesser ( arguably ) cricketer to Sobers.
    at his peak , Sobers averaged close to 70 and took 4wkts/match. difference in their batting is 20 runs/innings ,
    2wkts / innings >>>>> 20 runs/innings
    + Sobers is a better fielder.

    WG and Bradman are the only two ARGUABLY BETTER to Sobers cricketers though..
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    To be fair to Bradman at least his level of over achievement was consistent
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
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    Haha, that guy just keeps trying doesn't he.

    Kyear is gonna love this. I think last time it was him who outed Sobers no 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VKN payyans View Post
    Sobers - an under achiever , better than stats = general view

    even if we agree Bradman would have averaged 80-90 in a more competitive era of Sobers , When did we agree on this?
    he is still a lesser ( arguably ) cricketer to Sobers.Good reasoning
    at his peak , Sobers averaged close to 70 and took 4wkts/match. Ahh, so we assess Sobers at his peak, but Bradman at an adjusted era average. Makes sense for your argument....difference in their batting is 20 runs/innings ,
    2wkts / innings >>>>> 20 runs/innings Outstanding logic. Bravo.
    + Sobers is a better fielder.

    WG and Bradman are the only two ARGUABLY BETTER to Sobers cricketers though..
    ....
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    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    If you don't want to compare across eras, fine... I have no issues with that.
    But then why you even start this thread, comparing two players from different periods then?
    Touche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    I don't think so. There are a lot of members who do believe that Bradman was twice as good as everyone else and if my memory serves correct Coronis doesn't rate Viv that highly.
    I don't rate Viv as highly as most other members, but no, I'm not that biased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    I don't know. No one can tell for certain if bradman was twice as good as Richards or 34.17% better. But his output was twice as good as Richards or any other great batsman, which is a fact. Lets just say bradman was a ****load better and leave it at that
    Not having a go but this assumes a linear relationship between talent/performance and average which I don't think is justified. The difference between averaging 50 vs 60 is massively greater than 40 vs 50, for example. Imagine the difference between 55 and, say, 99.94.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    If you don't want to compare across eras, fine... I have no issues with that.
    But then why you even start this thread, comparing two players from different periods then?
    The statement that the 2 are the greatest was a bit too much tbh.
    At present, there is so much competition and the level of cricket is so high that its hard to rate some old greats above everyone else.
    And the pressure involved, the amount of professionalism, high quality fielding, number of quality teams have all changed with time.
    In India, with the number of people taking up cricket, there are more chances of you getting struck by lightning than getting selected for the national team. So just reaching that level is a big thing, unlike before.


    And the thread is just a comparison between 2 given players, so lets keep it to that.
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