Any Fast bowler who got a lot wickets on sub-continent pitches w/o relying on swing?

[sambha]

Any Fast bowler who picked up lot of wickets on sub-continent pitches especially in India without having to rely upon swing?

 

[salman85]

Depends on what your definition of what 'a lot' is.

Mcgrath and Pollock are the first ones that come to mind.

 

[Goughy]

Courtney Walsh

 

[cricmahanty]

As does Courtney Walsh.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Kumble

Apart from him, Walsh, McGrath, Holding took plenty of wickets without swinging it too much.

 

[smash84]

Marshall

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Sir Richard Hadlee (esq)

 

[OverratedSanity]

Weren't Marshall and Hadlee predominantly swing bowlers? Or did they not get much swing in SC and relied more on cutters etc? Correct me if I'm wrong

Holding got a bunch of wickets here and what I've read about him portrayed him as someone who relied on his sheer pace accuracy and some seam movement instead of significant swing... But Hadlee was always described as a master of swing, while Marshall did everything

 

[smash84]

on slow and placid tracks marshall resorted to cutters

 

[fredfertang]

John Lever and Ian Botham. Lever was accused (probably rightly tbf) of using artificial aids - in the Jubilee Test Sir Beefy was at his brilliant best

 

[kyear2]

Marshall and Holding in '83 with sheer pace.

Though they both (especially Maco) could swing it when required.

 

[smash84]

Michael Holding.....WAFG.....could crank it up on flat wickets and keep up the pace. Could make life so uncomfortable

 

[Red]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is it about Indian wickets that make them so **** for pace bowlers.

I mean India have only produced one good pace bowler ever.

 

[smash84]

nothing too wrong with the pitches.....it is the attitude towards the game....the pitches in pakistan are more roads than India

 

[OverratedSanity]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is it about Indian wickets that make them so **** for pace bowlers.

I mean India have only produced one good pace bowler ever.

Kids just want to be batsmen here. Lazy little rascals cbf running 30 yards at full tilt

 

[Daemon]

The main difference is that Pakistanis eat lots of mutton.

 

[smash84]

I think more beef is consumed than mutton

 

[NasserFan207]

The main difference is blind luck. Pakistan got Imran Khan, who spawned a generation of imitators. That led to the WWs, which led to today.

India got a bunch of batsmen, and some handy spinners.

 

[hendrix]

Yeah, Imran's been on record stating that the Northern Pakistanis just have a bigger build and are more genetically suited to fast bowling, but I don't buy that. You don't really need to be that big to be a good fast bowler, and I know plenty of Indian expats who have very athletic builds. Players like Umesh Yadav certainly have a good enough physique.

Heroes clearly matter in the subcontinent.

I suspect all if would take is for a few cricket ads on TV to show a reverse swinging yorker rather than endless Sachin straight drives and Dhoni helicopter shots. In 10 years that would create enough fast bowlers for India, but it won't happen.

 

[watson]

The main difference is blind luck. Pakistan got Imran Khan, who spawned a generation of imitators. That led to the WWs, which led to today.

India got a bunch of batsmen, and some handy spinners.

I've always assumed that the proliferation of spin bowling in India is due to the Indian cultural preference for things intellectual and complex. Looking in as an outsider it seems obvious to me that the art of spin bowling with its subtleties and deceptions seems more in tune with the Indian 'psych', rather than the simple brawn and machismo of fast bowling. It could be a case where the mindset of religion (Hinduism) has effected the way sport is played.

But I could be completely wrong of course.......