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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Hey, I wonder what Nick Compton's been up to

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Onions was alright for the Dolphins with the white ball. A bit erratic though, too many bad balls (short and wide) mixed in with a few of his good'uns that he can produce.

    Red ball cricket more his stuff though starting next week. Be interesting to see how he goes with Abbott and Aelxander.
    Yes this is a lot of my impression of onions these days. Tends to try and bowl wickettaking deliveries almost too much. Bowls very full and with a few bouncers in there. In English conditions against average batsmen who aren't going to punish him for his attacking lines and lengths he is lethal. Never was that brilliant and played that much one day cricket though.

    Now for some spiel that probably won't interest you seamup but is more for the english contingent.

    Don't get me wrong though he is unfortunate not to be on the ashes tour. None of Tremlett, Finn or Rankin really deserve it on form but England have to look at the conditions of test cricket. I'm guessing they just don't think Onions is suited as a third seamer. He doesn't keep the runscoring down(Bresnan, Tremlett) and doesn't offer the other qualities that are useful on relatively flat wickets(Pace, Bounce- Finn, Rankin). It's a shame because before his injury during that series to SA although he never kept the runscoring that tight he was more of a threat for longer as he had greater pace to go with his attacking lines. Now I think he's had it that easy playing at durham and 1/2 the other grounds against average batting that he rarely encounters test similiar conditions and getting the ball down at 80 or 81mph is rarely gonna do it at international level if you're as aggresive as Onions now is with the ball.

    And you could just as easily write paragraphs on Tremlett, Finn, Rankin or Bresnan with reasons why they shouldn't have been selected. Just illustrates that apart from Anderson and Broad, England are actually desperately short of a viable 3rd seamer right now.

    Onions is a little overrated imo. People see his statistics and assume he is a world class bowler the equal to Anderson. He is a goldmine in countycricket because he bowls full at good pace(by county standard) and moves the ball. He is the best in county cricket and I'd select him over Anderson or Broad as a straight up 4 day county player. His bowling is honed to county cricket but unfortunately that doesn't really translate to test cricket. Changes that are actually beneficial to his country cricket are actually detrimental to his test game. Bad habits grow that are capitalised on at international level. Chester Le Street itself lends to attacking the stumps as it seams all the time plus variable bounce + about 3/8 of the other 1st division county wickets are helpful(Derby, Lords, Trent Bridge). It really isn't a great wicket to produce finished cricketers ready for test cricket. It's too easy for fast bowlers and too hard for batsmen. Other wickets give plenty but they'll generally have some flatter matches and days.

    And again I'll say he probably should have been in the ashes squad but I really don't think he would have been the saviour or is currently an international class test seamer(not that any of the rest of the potential 3rd seamers are this right now).

    Cliffs - Onions quality county bowler but traits that are vital to his success in county cricket don't really translate to the job he is pushing towards in the England lineup.
    - Still unlucky not to go on ashes tour. England have a load of seamers but Anderson and Broad apart none are good international standard.

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    Worcestershire sign Ajmal for the season. County news : Saeed Ajmal returns to Worcestershire | Cricket News | England Domestic Season 2014 | ESPN Cricinfo

    Great signing although the Pakistan board is always liable to not allow him to play or call him back at whatever inopportune time. Can't believe a first division club haven't signed him really. Worcestershire aren't exactly the most well off county. A load of counties in the first division could do with Ajmal.

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    Hey, I wonder what Rob Key's been up to

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    Hey, I wonder what Rob Key's been up to

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    They really need to get off season hobbies these Southron cricketers.
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    Phil Jaques joins Notts.

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    Good day had by our boys in the Dhaka premier division. Hundreds for Cobb and Crook, plus 98 from Bopara, 61 for Malan, 86 and 3 for 25 for Samit Patel. Ravi the maestro even captaining his team and has been opening the bowling (although not today).Eoin Morgan has even turned up to play a few games.

    Machan and Taylor both doing well for Scottland today.

    Onions' average spell with the dolphins continuing. Hardly won a game since he arrived (dunno if they won many before)

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    County fixtures released tomorrow for next season.

    David Willey gone home from the EPP with a back problem. Presumably miss out on the NZ T20 which he had signed up for which is a shame. Was excited to see how he would do in the competition.

    Definitely fancy Warwickshire for the championship if Trott plays the whole season as he may well do now.

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    Interesting changes at Derbyshire with probably more action to come as they look to last season's relegation disappointment around and present a good case for a swift return to the top table. Dan Redfern is a highly promising cricketer and was seemingly highly rated at Derby despite a rather barren season in Division One, and so it seems a strange decision for the club to release the player, who still had more than two years left on his contract, by mutual consent.

    Loss of form and injury disrupted his 2013 season, and it seems his issues extended to off the field also judging by the comments from coach Karl Krikken. So there may be other reasons apart from the cricketing ones to release Redfern for a new challenge, but having already released another young hopeful in Ross Whiteley during the season it is not ideal for the club to lose such talent. David Houghton has also been released from his role as specialist batting coach so it will be interesting to see the further developments at the County Ground over the remainder of the winter.

    On a positive note, they retained the services of seamer Mark Footitt and the major boost was a contract extension for skipper and leading batsman Wayne Madsen despite interest from several other counties. He was one of the few Derby players whose reputation grew after the 2013 season, scoring well over 1,000 runs and leading the side very well under trying circumstances.

    Other County news in brief - Matthew Maynard is expected to return to Glamorgan, his role has not yet been specified, but the batting coach position seems likely. They of course have a new Head Coach in Toby Radford, who replaced Aussie Matthew Mott, and Hugh Morris is also returning to his county as CEO, following his excellent period spent with the ECB.

    Stephen Peters has signed a new two-year contract with Northants after leading the side to promotion last season.
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    England u19 squad was selected for the triangular against Pakistan and UAE in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah where the u19 world cup is hosted next year.

    Ben Duckett (Northants) & Kishen Velani (Essex) weren't selected due to not meeting fitness requirements. Two of the most experienced players and almost nailed on to go to the WC. Not sure if they will now.

    Squad is Yorkie dominated.

    Dominic Sibley (18) Surrey
    Jonny Tattersall (19) Yorkshire
    Harry Finch (18) Sussex
    Robert Jones (18) Lancashire
    Ryan Higgins (18) Middlesex
    Will Rhodes (18) Yorkshire
    Ed Barnard (18) Worcestershire
    Joe Clarke (17) Worcestershire
    Lewis McManus (19) Hampshire
    Miles Hammond (17) Gloucestershire
    Kyle Carver (17) Yorkshire
    Rob Sayer (18) Leicestershire
    Matthew Fisher (16) Yorkshire
    Josh Shaw (17) Yorkshire
    Luke Wood (18) Notts
    Jack Winslade (18) Surrey

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    Less than 4 months to go till the good stuff kicks off. Fixtures list is pretty bad. Huge amount of first class games in the first couple of months of the season and then basically just a lot of t20 and 50 over cricket the second half. Not gonna develop many spinners for test cricket like that. At least with 50 over cricket back and in a block in the second half of the season the players will have some decent preparation for the WC.

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    England Lions Squad for some 4 day games in Sri Lanka:
    http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/l...ri-lanka-named

    Chris Woakes (Warwickshire) *Capt
    Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
    Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)
    Scott Borthwick (Durham)
    Varun Chopra (Warwickshire)
    Ben Foakes (Essex)
    James Harris (Middlesex)
    Chris Jordan (Sussex)
    Simon Kerrigan (Lancashire)
    Alex Lees (Yorkshire)
    Tymal Mills (Essex)
    James Overton (Somerset)
    Sam Robson (Middlesex)
    James Taylor (Nottinghamshire)
    James Vince (Hampshire)

    Guess the most interesting things are.

    Bairstow in. Yorkshire will be moaning at that for sure I'd guess and you have to feel some sympathy having trawled around as England's 12th man in overseas test for the last couple of years.

    No Jos Buttler. Playing in the big bash(but will only clash with this tour if his team makes the semis) but still a little surprising. Foakes continues to get good backing.

    Woakes captain. Seems like they're giving everyone a chance at captaincy in the lions games which makes sense as a lot of them won't get experience at their counties because they're away with England a decent amount.

    First callup to lions squad for Robson. Done well in Aus(which isn't a great surprise given his experience there) with the performance squad so deserved place.

    Mills but no Topley. This isn't particularly surprising but the narrative of the story is interesting.

    Both Left arm seamers at Essex. Mills really hasn't done much at county level but hasn't been given a massive chance but has always impressed around England setup. Topley on the other hand has done really well for Essex. Took the most wickets over the three formats of any English bowler this past season at 86. The problem being his bowling seems to have regressed/reverted to an english type medium pace swinger. Since the u19 world cup where he bowled with decent pace and aggresion he seems to have lost 2 or 3mph, bowling in one day cricket he bowls a lot of cutters with the keeper standing upto the stumps. He was with the lions tour to aus last winter and the performance squad this winter and he's been a peripheral figure with little impact. Conversely Mills has stood out when with the lions or performance squad. It's just disappointing to see the way Topley has gone from someone who looked to have a lot of potential(6'7'', good pace(82-85mph, natural swing bowler) to play international cricket to someone who may not be good enough. Of course Topley is still 19 so he's still got time but it just seems the constant grind of county cricket has taken something away from him.

    From the outside it would look like Topley is been treated unfairly and that Mills is being given preferential treatment or whatever.

    County Championship Topley 48 wickets @28.41 Mills 6 @66.33
    YB40 Topley 17 wickets @ 25.58 Mills 10 wickets @17.3
    20 over Topley 21 wickets @ 13.23 Mills 0 wickets for 30 runs

    But Topley just looks like he puts the ball on the spot at 80mph and swings it in these days. It works in England on second division wickets - it ain't really gonna work anywhere else. The wickets and the massive amount of cricket just takes the aggresion out of a lot of the bowlers. MIlls looks the much better bet international bet right now which is amazing given the stats above. Until there is less cricket in England I feel like players like Topley will revert to this generic English type bowler which isn't going to really cut it outside of England,
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    Having not gotten the opportunity to see Topley last year, I'll take your word for it. But I was massively impressed by him in the u19 World Cup. Really want to see him succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steds View Post
    Having not gotten the opportunity to see Topley last year, I'll take your word for it. But I was massively impressed by him in the u19 World Cup. Really want to see him succeed.
    Yes look he's 19. He's still got a lot of time. And like you I was excited by his performance during that WC. It just seems from watching him a decent amount (but not extensive) he hasn't progressed in the manner you would have expected given the promise and the amount of wickets he's taken in the mean time. If anything he looks to have lost pace and doesn't use his height to intimidate batsmen.

    Stuff like bowling cutters with the keeper up may be a good skill in isolation but if Topley is going to be the spearhead of a future england attack he's gonna need to do more than rocking up bowling at 80mph especially as he can't bat. Clearly ENgland want him to succed but his poor peformances with the lions and then perf squad in the last year in aus suggest he isn't quite as good as his figures suggest or that once his prodigious swing which he gets in English conditions isn't there he is a little pedestrian and lacks a little as a bowler at present.

    Basically he's a fine bowler in English conditions right now but I'm just a little disappointed with his progression and feel he needs to work on how to get wickets when the ball doesn't swing in first class cricket. But again he's 19 ffs - I just hope he won't reach a comfort level in county cricket where he is capable of taking lots of wickets but his game doesn't progress in a way which will allow him to prosper at international cricket.

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