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    Retro Ashes - from 1990 onwards

    I while ago I picked my England team from 1990 to today. Now, with one or two alterations, I propose to send it to War with the best Aussie team of the last 23 years.

    England

    1. Gooch
    2. Trescothick
    3. Atherton (C)
    4. Pieterson
    5. Thorpe
    6. Stewart +
    7. Flintoff
    8. Swann
    9. Gough
    10. Caddick
    11. Fraser

    Now, I know this offends a degree of wisdom. But Warne, in his “100 of my best mates and some cricketers” book, said Athers would have made a great number 3 , had he been in a better team. Well here is that team!

    I am a little bit conscious of the fact that Stewart batted better when not keeping. But I can't quite get around it. I like the feel of a Gooch-Tresco opening pair. And obviously I like the option of a 4-man pace attack (and a good one at that) to stick it up em. Flintoff and Gough providing the balls; Caddick and Fraser the not-balls-but-still-a-useful-body-part. And Swann is England’s best spinner of the era by a mile. I like the look of the strength in that top 4.


    Aussies

    1. Taylor (C)
    2. Hayden
    3. Ponting
    4. Martyn
    5. S. Waugh
    6. Clarke
    7. Gilchrist +
    8. Warne
    9. Gillespie
    10. Hughes
    11. McGrath

    Not being an Aussie, I’m leaving myself open to abuse on this, but I really do think Martyn was better than Waugh Jnr, and Gilchrist edging out the purists’ choice of keeper - Healy.

    Taylor gets the nod above Langer and Slater, Clarke for his last 3 years gets in above a few other options. Hughes, I felt I’d be leaving myself open to a bashing if I left out. Gillespie, despite ending his career (202 aside) like a soggy firework, gets the nod.

    Punter, Waugh Snr, Warne and McGrath select themselves.

    Predictions??
    World XI Since 1990 -

    1. Gooch 2. Dravid 3. Ponting 4. Tendulkar 5. Lara 6. Kallis 7. Gilchrist 8. Akram 9. Warne 10. Ambrose 11. McGrath

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    don't think you have selected the strongest possible English side though...Cook and Vaughn should have been there, since you have selected 3 openers, they could have been there along with Gooch. May be Gooch and Cook, Vaughn at 3...and Stewart at 6! I don't know about that, but Prior might just be a better choice at 6.

    Your Australian selection seems better to me, I would have picked Slater in place of Taylor though...anyways, judging by the teams of your selection, it is a whitewash...who will be whitewashed? well...

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    Cook & Anderson belong in that England team quite clearly IMO.
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    Is this choosing a best Ashes side for eash country or the best English and Aussie side of the past 20 years. Eg. ME Waugh avg 50 against the poms, as opposed to Martyn averaging about 31 I think. For the Pom's I think Cook probably deserves a go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromLancs View Post

    Not being an Aussie, I’m leaving myself open to abuse on this
    Dunno about that. Your Aussie side looks pretty spot on to me but your England side is shocking!!

    Do you have a particular dislike for our current team?? Cos they are the most successful of the period you are looking at yet you only find room for 2 of them in the side??

    Cook, Anderson and Prior glaring omissions.

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    Atherton should be nowhere near any "best of" teams of any era, age or shape.
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    Based on Eng v Aus in the time frame, Australia would be...

    Langer
    Hayden
    D.Boon
    M.Waugh
    S.Waugh
    M. Hussey
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Hughes
    McDermott
    McGrath


    And England would be...

    Gooch
    Trott
    KP
    Ramps
    Thorpe
    Prior
    Flintoff
    Swann
    Broad
    Gough
    Fraser

    England is a bit unbalanced but they're the best performers.
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    Hughes as in Merv? Off your rocker if you pick him over McDermott, especially since 1990.
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    Off the top of my head;

    England
    01. Graham Gooch
    02. Alec Stewart
    03. Michael Vaughan*
    04. Graham Thorpe
    05. Kevin Pietersen
    06. Andrew Flintoff
    07. Matt Prior+
    08. Graham Swann
    09. Darren Gough
    10. Gus Fraser
    11. James Anderson

    Note: Vaughan makes the team on the basis of his magnificent Ashes tour of 2002/03. Plus his captaincy is arrogant enough to get up the nose of the Aussie side. Cook is unlucky but Stewart's stack of runs as opener before he got stuck with keeping duties is too hard to ignore.

    Australia
    01. Matthew Hayden
    02. Justin Langer
    03. Ricky Ponting
    04. Mark Waugh
    05. Michael Clarke*
    06. Steve Waugh
    07. Adam Gilchrist+
    08. Brett Lee
    09. Shane Warne
    10. Craig McDermott
    11. Glenn McGrath
    Last edited by watson; 26-09-2013 at 07:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Hughes as in Merv? Off your rocker if you pick him over McDermott, especially since 1990.
    Not sure whether you were replying to me or someone else, but I have Merv and MecDermott in there.

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    Are we only taking ashes record into account, because Gooch was pretty terrible against AUS and should be nowhere near the side really. Open with Vaughan and Stewart with Trott at 3 would be ideal.

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    I think the team from GFL in the original post has too many mentally fragile Cricketers from England in it and is forgetting players who had success against Australia. One (or two) of Gough, Caddick and Fraser shouldn't be selected ahead of Anderson and/or Broad. Atherton shouldn't be there either.
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    The Aussie team would thrash the English team even if you do get the selections right (Anderson>Caddick being a glaring one).

    It's rather interesting that, despite the actual series wins over the past 20 years starting to even out for England, they still haven't produced anywhere near the quality of individual players that the early 2000s Aussies had. Well, not many teams would, tbh. Warne, McGrath, Ponting, Steve Waugh, Gilchrist were all time greats, and then you have exceptional players like Hayden, Langer, Gillespie, Lee etc.

    England only tentatively have Pietersen and Cook as atgs. Even exceptional players like Anderson, Flintoff and Swann are still only really on the level of, say, Hayden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    Are we only taking ashes record into account, because Gooch was pretty terrible against AUS and should be nowhere near the side really. Open with Vaughan and Stewart with Trott at 3 would be ideal.
    In terms of tests played between Aus and Eng since 1991, Gooch has a better record than most. Vaughan a decent call, did well against Aust.
    Maybe this...

    Gooch
    Vaughan
    Trott
    KP
    Thorpe/Gower
    Prior
    Flintoff
    Swann
    Broad
    Gough
    Fraser

    Flintoff hasn''t really done SFA apart from 2005, but he was pretty good in 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    Are we only taking ashes record into account, because Gooch was pretty terrible against AUS and should be nowhere near the side really. Open with Vaughan and Stewart with Trott at 3 would be ideal.
    Gooch would be fine if Terry Alderman wasn't playing for Australia.

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