Many of our smaller or lesser known private schools aren't really sporting orientated but mainly academic but in South Africa we've got boys schools that have tradition in producing mainly rugby and cricket players. Although water polo, hockey, tennis, squash, swimming, athletics, basketball are all offered. Football is only offered in these types of schools in Joburg, Durban & Pietermaritzburg.
I think our problems are level of facilities in poorer areas whose government schools don't have the best sporting facilities because there are certainly 'public school' that have the sporting facilities. As I say the life blood of our cricket. I've always wondered if England had these sorts of schools but it seems not. So its a case of independent schools have the sporting options and facilities while the non independent don't have them. Interesting.
For example by province our schools with sporting tradition -
Boland - Paarl Boys, Paarl Gymnasium & Paul Roos
WP: Bishops (private), Rondebosch, Wynberg, SACS
EP: Grey High School, Woodridge (private), St Andrews Grahamstown (private)
Border: Queens College, Selborne College, Dale College, Hudson Park
KZN C: Durban High School, Westville, Kearsney College (Private), Glenwood, Northwood
KZN I: Michaelhouse (private), St Charles College (private), Hilton College (private) & Maritzburg College
FS: Grey College, St Andrews Bloemfontein
Northerns: Pretoria Boys, Afrikaans Seuns Heurskool (Affies), Waterkloof, St Albans (private),
Gauteng: King Edward School (KES), St Johns College (private), St Stithians (private), St Davids Inanda (private), Jeppe, Parktown Boys
I read about that tour but wasn't sure what age group. Former SA cricketer Jimmy Cook attended that tour and this is what he had to say at a cricket dinner for one our major cricketing clubs Old Edwardians in Joburg.
Was aware of that stereotype in with your fast bowlers. In a way does kind of make sense. In that fast bowling often requires a lot of hard work and determination on the fields of play and maybe the more well off don't have that 'push' factor. But then I suppose you could just say they had a 'natural gift' like a Dale Steyn here.Jimmy Cook (pictured) was the guest speaker and his talk was humorous and light hearted and ideal for the occasion. He told us that our schools cricket was light years ahead of their counterparts in England. A St Stithians team toured UK and played County schoolboy teams and beat them with ease. He said that he had difficulty in explaining to the people over there that this team was from one school and not a representative team.
But UK do push their kids earlier. He said that there were two 16 year olds playing for Glamorgan second team this season which would be very unusual in the Strikers set up. The current England batsman Josh Butler is another prime example of younger players being fast tracked.
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Mother is English. Father South African. Home language was English even though 'Afrikaans' surname. In South Africa many first language English people have 'Afrikaans' surnames. Its just the mix of the father and mother and what was decided their home language will be obviously Afrikaans speaking people marry English speaking people. No denying he has got Afrikaans roots though. One of his grandparents are somewhere up the family tree.
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I just find it funny because Afrikaaners have hated the English since the Boer War and possibly before and now players with Afrikaans in their blood are on the English team sheet. Like I say, not an attack and I'm no here saying they shouldn't be playing for England. I've just found it interesting how those with foreign connections are making it to the top in England cricket.
You are aware that the 'English' have been coming to South Africa since the late 1700's ?
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Your statement, I believe, is completely untrue. However, depressingly, I think a number of people at all levels in cricket still subscribe to it -- at least subconsciously. I hope it has diminished given the success of the England cricket team over the past decade and the relative decline of WI and Aus but I know it still exists to a certain extent.
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Yeah I was taking the piss. It's interesting that attitude was around. I would suspect it isn't these days though, given how well England/ the ROE XI is doing.
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I wonder, though, what's different about what a prep school is doing and what we're doing as County Boards: we have punched far, far above our weight as a small county in the last few years but there is only a limited amount that we can do. What does a typical Prep fixture list look like? What format of games are played, and is there any club cricket?
Extra question: what's the age range of a Grade 7 prep school side in August? Our boys will be mainly 12 with the odd 11 year old, and absolutely no 13s.
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The big difference was that we ran 3-4 teams depending on age group. Every boy had to play. I didn't matter if you hated cricket or were terrible at it. You had to practice and there would be games for you each week. IIRC, we had practice 4 days a week and games on 2 days a week during cricket season.
As for Prep school schedules, we had short games midweek against the local schools - they were seldom competitive but got the boys out of their privileged environment and then at weekends played against the top Prep schools from across the nearby provinces in long games.
The amazing results from 40 or so boys came from real passion for the game, the season wasn't too long so they didn't get burnt out, everyone had to play so no talent was lost and, as talent develops differently, there was fluidity between the teams. Also have 4 coaches per year group didnt hurt. To take full advantage of resources you have to dedicate resources.
On a side note, we rarely played against the Afrikaaner schools as they generally took the game more seriously and, as good as we were, they were far tougher for their age than our children.
Recently I had 3-4 players from one 40 boy Prep school year group representing the Provincial Under 19s in the same team. I'm sure that other similar schools have had this as well.
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