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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    West off to a poor start. They've already lost the wicket of pinch-hitter (?) Parthiv Patel for one, and they're rebuilding slowly. Central's much superior bowling attack is keeping it tight. But West bat deep- we're talking of a team with Yusuf Pathan and Dhawal Kulkarni as bowlers.
    West has the best side on paper, strong batting order and good variety in the bowling lineup. But the thing is that in such tournaments, guys are more concerned about getting noticed by the selectors, a lot of guys play in a very selfish manner. The way Devdhar and Pujara have batted, they have left a huge hole for Pathan and Jadhav who are there to score quick runs. This might just turn out to be a very boring match
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    Quote Originally Posted by karan316 View Post
    West has the best side on paper, strong batting order and good variety in the bowling lineup. But the thing is that in such tournaments, guys are more concerned about getting noticed by the selectors, a lot of guys play in a very selfish manner. The way Devdhar and Pujara have batted, they have left a huge hole for Pathan and Jadhav who are there to score quick runs. This might just turn out to be a very boring match
    Not much better for Central. They too are crawling. Ojha won't do his chances of a national call-up in ODIs any good with that un-ODI strike rate.

    Yusuf Pathan is in great form across both tournaments. Not too pleased to see Chawla bag loads of wickets- he seems to be taking advantage of his own captaincy, but we're not sure he'll last long as an ODI bowler. Pandey and Umesh (when he tightens up line and length) will be the ones to go for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Not much better for Central. They too are crawling. Ojha won't do his chances of a national call-up in ODIs any good with that un-ODI strike rate.

    Yusuf Pathan is in great form across both tournaments. Not too pleased to see Chawla bag loads of wickets- he seems to be taking advantage of his own captaincy, but we're not sure he'll last long as an ODI bowler. Pandey and Umesh (when he tightens up line and length) will be the ones to go for.
    Yap, thats bad captaincy from Chawla, Anureet Singh should have bowled 12 overs, Chawla chooses to bowl at tailenders and increase his wicket count. There were better options for the death overs.
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    The Deodhar Trophy Final will be an important game for a few folks who have been struggling this season, or have a point to prove. Kedar Jadhav has been short of runs in ODs. Yusuf Pathan did well with the bat, but wickets were few and far between. Rishi Dhawan had a decent OD season, but unremarkable, often marred by lack of matches played (his under-performing team, HP, keep getting eliminated early). Parvez Rasool has taken plenty of wickets, even in ODs, where he struggled earlier, but runs have dried up. Dhawal, who has been in and out of the game this season, will want to finish with a strong performance. Sid Kaul, though, has no fitness issues, but being a rookie and a specialist bowler, he may lose out to the Ishant-Nehra-Rishi trio. And, of course, there's Pujara, somehow labelled as a Test specialist, when he's also one of the best OD batsmen in the system right now. He may want to prove a point. So will Ishant Sharma and Harbhajan Singh, but there are better replacements to pick.

    Of all the OD performers this season, whom would you have playing ODIs for India? The more experienced Yo Mahesh and Vinay Kumar, or rookies Sid Kaul, Anureet Singh and Rahul Shukla? Then again, the OD tournaments bring forth some weird charts.
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    I have no hate for Vinay Kumar unlike many Indian fans who think he is just useless. But on the other hand, I don't find him suitable for the shorter formats. If he gets a few tests, which he deserves because of his good FC record over the years, we might be able to see what he can do in the longer formats, the reason he is not getting any test opportunities is lack of pace, which I don't think is an issue as long as you are skilled enough. His stock delivery is a pretty good one and mainly gets wicket because of that. The good thing is that he is always looking to get that bit of seam movement and bowl unplayable deliveries to get the batsmen out. In ODIs, I don't expect him to do well, he does bowl a bit of variety, but normally his short deliveries, slower ones, yorkers, etc. aren't effective enough, but his stock delivery is way better than most of our pacers.
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    Again, it comes back to the same point that proper strike bowlers like Umesh Yadav and possibly Ishwar Pandey are not cut out for ODIs, often because of poor limited-overs stats. Vinay's shorter deliveries won't work so well unless the pitch has plenty of carry, because of lack of pace and height. Vinay doesn't seem such a good bet in Tests because of the lack of pace, and consequently, a reduced strike rate. We'd want our strike bowler chipping at one every 45 deliveries, not one in 60. Vinay has often struggled on pitches that are batting-friendly. In ODIs, there are plenty of other tricks that can be used, which is where folks not quite strike bowlers in Tests thrive.

    In the ongoing game, one of the prospects I mentioned, Sid Kaul, is struggling. Dreadful economy rate, no wickets. Curse of the flat deck? Then again, we're seeing West Zone crawl to 180 in 36 overs. Kedar Devdhar, Baroda opener, is keeping his form strong.

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    Pujara is being very selfish here. Just trying to go slow and score as many runs as possible to prove that he deserves an ODI cap. Maybe he is being negative here, but if he normally plays in this fashion, than its better that he stays away from the ODI side. Ridiculous batting by him.
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    Pujara won't help his ODI cause by holding a strike rate of 60. His career average is over 55, but his strike rate is classified for some reason. Maybe he is this slow? I'm then not surprised that Raina became an ODI batting mainstay, even if his Test match failings followed him here.

    Yusuf Pathan keeps his batting form high. Not so good to see him struggle with the ball. Maybe tonight, it will change.

    Six bowlers in the North XI? That's pushing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Pujara won't help his ODI cause by holding a strike rate of 60. His career average is over 55, but his strike rate is classified for some reason. Maybe he is this slow? I'm then not surprised that Raina became an ODI batting mainstay, even if his Test match failings followed him here.

    Yusuf Pathan keeps his batting form high. Not so good to see him struggle with the ball. Maybe tonight, it will change.

    Six bowlers in the North XI? That's pushing it.
    Won't say he struggled with the ball, just got 3 overs in the last game and Rayudu was made to bowl 2 overs which was baffling since he is absolutely bad with the ball. Today's pitch doesn't seem to have anything for the spinners, Harbhajan and Rasool struggled, not sure Yusuf will do much different. He was good in the Vijay Hazare trophy, bowled economical spells and picked an odd wicket. But yes, he needs to offer a bit more with the ball if he wants to make a comeback. The big positive on his part is that he is getting more and more consistent despite of scoring runs at such a high rate, it was something that lacked in his game before.

    Seems that Pujara has given this match away to North by batting in that fashion. The way the other guys were batting,its pretty clear that the wicket is flat for this game and it was possible to score more runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Pujara won't help his ODI cause by holding a strike rate of 60. His career average is over 55, but his strike rate is classified for some reason. Maybe he is this slow? I'm then not surprised that Raina became an ODI batting mainstay, even if his Test match failings followed him here.

    Yusuf Pathan keeps his batting form high. Not so good to see him struggle with the ball. Maybe tonight, it will change.

    Six bowlers in the North XI? That's pushing it.
    It's a very strange tactic (if it is one) by Pujara. Surely he realises that the weight of runs isn't what's holding him back from being played in the ODIs; its the perception of being a dour 'test only' batsman. He should be looking to Sehwag his way into the team. Yes, I'm all for making 'Sehwag' a verb.
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    Anybody watching or following the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy? We're seeing lottery results out there. Nothing convincing so far.

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    Have been following it, I had been to the Baroda vs Mumbai game on Sunday, Baroda won it easily, didn't post since I thought no one might be interested in it.
    I was trying to know why the Mumbai team is not doing well, people have said that they lack quality, a lot of senior players are missing,etc. But despite of that there are quite a few big names and promising players in the team.

    The big difference I noted between both the teams was that Baroda looked like a very well organized team with players who were happy to play in each other's company. The seniors, Munaf and Irfan were guiding the young bowlers and keeping them calm under pressure. Yusuf was quite pro active with his captaincy, quite a shock to me since most of the international discards who are made the captain of their domestic sides have done a terrible job recently. And each batsmen was playing sensibly and according to the teams requirement.

    On the other hand, Mumbai looked like a team of individuals, who were not interested in each other, nor the teams success, but more in their personal stats to please the selectors. Half the team looked like they were just playing for themselves. Didn't see guys motivating each other, not many field changes, no intent from batsmen. Didn't look like a happy outfit.
    A team which consists of Zaheer and Dhawal as opening bowlers, talented all rounders in Nayar and Iqbal Abdulla, A good spin bowler in Praveen Tambe, along with batsmen like Aditya Tare and Suryakant Yadav should definitely be performing better.
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    Mumbai have not handled the absence of Rahane and Rohit very well, and in limited-overs events, they've not been able to replicate their success in FCs. This season, they haven't recovered from getting knocked out in the Ranji quarters. However, we're still seeing several newcomers, at one go, which does impact the team. Of all the big names, the only ones that count are Zaheer, Abdulla, Dhawal and Aditya Tare. Nayar is an average batsman or less, who bowls occasionally, and is already over the hill. Praveen Tambe was picked off an IPL season, but has not been remarkable as a Mumbai player. SA Yadav has a very poor conversion rate outside FCs.

    On the other hand, Baroda have a rather strong team, with Kedar Devdhar and Aditya Waghmode settling in as openers, at least in limited-overs games, they have Munaf Patel available all season, also both Pathans, and lately, they have Rayudu. Their crumbly dustbowl of a home ground is helping Gagandeep Singh, Swapnil Singh and Bharghav Bhatt grow as spinners. These players have been around and been together for a lot longer. That may also explain why they feel a lot more like a team, and are better organised. Somehow, they often stumble against teams with strong fielding units.
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    What do you think of this bloke as a T20 all-rounder? Healthy batting strike rate, so he can make a difference lower down, or maybe as pinch-hitter, and he's been doing well with the ball lately- figures indicate a very tight economy rate and decent strike rate. He's also got good figures in 50-over cricket. The only itch is that he hasn't had enough chances with his home team Punjab, so he shifted to Himachal, and is playing for an under-performing State team. His figures in limited-overs cricket are still better than those of his more famous teammate, Rishi Dhawan, who has, somehow, crawled to the top three run-scorers' chart, though he'll drop down as HP have yet again failed to qualify for the next stage. His poor bowling figures and batting strike rate still stand, though.

    Meanwhile, Goa players are having a great time this season. Sagun Kamat is the top run-scorer, striking over 140, while Swapnil Asnodkar, a find of IPL 2008, seems to have rediscovered his form from that season. Amit Yadav, a genuine T20I prospect, has done very well with the ball and is second in the list of highest wicket-takers (and has also scored a few useful runs lower down), followed by another Goa player, Harshad Gadekar. This should now be a pool for the national T20I side, even if IPL franchises continue to ignore them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    What do you think of this bloke as a T20 all-rounder? Healthy batting strike rate, so he can make a difference lower down, or maybe as pinch-hitter, and he's been doing well with the ball lately- figures indicate a very tight economy rate and decent strike rate. He's also got good figures in 50-over cricket. The only itch is that he hasn't had enough chances with his home team Punjab, so he shifted to Himachal, and is playing for an under-performing State team. His figures in limited-overs cricket are still better than those of his more famous teammate, Rishi Dhawan, who has, somehow, crawled to the top three run-scorers' chart, though he'll drop down as HP have yet again failed to qualify for the next stage. His poor bowling figures and batting strike rate still stand, though.
    He's similar to both Jadeja and Iqbal Abdulla, I personally think he's better than both of them for ODIs, not so sure about T20s.
    The problem with him is that he has never got that support which he deserves, no IPL team has given him a long run, just got a few games for Kings 11 Punjab, he never got enough opportunities playing for Punjab, and for Himachal, he bats too low despite of being so good with the bat. With the ball he's quite accurate, but with the bat, he looks a lot more impressive than those stats suggest.
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