***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh & Sri Lanka 2013

[Mike5181]

Patel is a terrible bowler.

Little chance of further play apparently, bit of a shame.

 

[hendrix]

Apparently Mahmudullah was offered the number three position but decided he's rather cut oranges. What goes through these players' heads at times does me cold.

Because he's not a number 3 batsman?

I mean it's unfortunate that Bangladesh have a lot of allrounders but Mahmudullah was a number 7 or 6.

I think Mushfiqur is batting too high.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Need Mushfiq, Nasir to fire and get us past 350 at least. Disappointed that we gifted away some wickets here but credit to NZ

 

[hendrix]

Very fortunate that Bangladesh gifted a few wickets here. We really should have caught Tamim early because I don't know how our batsman will go with this wicket taking turn already, and more critically, showing enough bounce that batsman errors are likely to carry to the fielders. Gazi and Shakib could be dangerous if they get a role on.

Can't stress enough how crucial those drops were. The ball was still swinging and Mominul may have gone early as well which would've made a huge difference.

 

[Prince EWS]

Because he's not a number 3 batsman?

Yeah but he's a fine player. Surely having a go at #3 beats sitting out.

I wonder where he actually sees himself. Apparently he had a bit of a whinge even when he was moved up to five; does he really think batting eight and barely bowling is a serious long-term role?

I think Mushfiqur is batting too high.

If anything I think he's batting too low; should be #5 IMO.

I probably would've gone with this as a batting order for the first Test:

1. Tamim
2. Amanul
3. Naeem
4. Nasir
5. Rahim
6. Allison
7. Mahmudullah

... which shows what I know as Mominul played an amazing innings.

 

[hendrix]

Monimul is going to get wrecked overseas unless he reigns himself in and smartens up outside off. His cut in particular is a bit slashy for my tastes..

I don't know how you can say that about him. All he's done in both tests is put ****ty bowling away. He only played shots on the up once he was sure the ball wasn't doing anything. He looked far more solid than Tamim.

 

[Flem274*]

I don't know how you can say that about him. All he's done in both tests is put ****ty bowling away. He only played shots on the up once he was sure the ball wasn't doing anything. He looked far more solid than Tamim.

He barely moved his feet today when cutting; it was slashing, and that's why he eventually got out. He plays with hard hands and minimal footwork. It works on slower pitches but he will get eaten alive overseas if he tries to play in the same manner.

 

[Flem274*]

lol at pews editing his post to insert his new favourite word

 

[Prince EWS]

lol at pews editing his post to insert his new favourite word

Worth it.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

He barely moved his feet today when cutting; it was slashing, and that's why he eventually got out. He plays with hard hands and minimal footwork. It works on slower pitches but he will get eaten alive overseas if he tries to play in the same manner.

also it's CW ritual to question a young batsman's capability in mythical "bowling conditions" whenever they score runs even though everywhere is just flat

 

[hendrix]

Yeah but he's a fine player. Surely having a go at #3 beats sitting out.

I think he's one of Bangladesh's best batsmen, which is also what I might be saying about Shane Watson had he never become an opener and cemented his role batting at 6.

What Bangladesh need to realise is that both Shakib and Mahmudullah are clearly in their top 7 batsmen and are good enough bowlers to be part of a 5 man attack. There's simply no need for either Nasir Hossain or Abdur Razzak in this team.

They should never be picking more than 3 specialist bowlers. They can stack their batting lineup, pick their two best pacers and Sohag and they've got 5 bowlers easily. When you factor in that Naeem will also play at some stage the situation is ridiculous.

 

[Prince EWS]

I think he's one of Bangladesh's best batsmen, which is also what I might be saying about Shane Watson had he never become an opener and cemented his role batting at 6.

What Bangladesh need to realise is that both Tamim and Mahmudullah are clearly in their top 7 batsmen and are good enough bowlers to be part of a 5 man attack. There's simply no need for either Nasir Hossain or Abdur Razzak in this team.

They should never be picking more than 3 specialist bowlers. They can stack their batting lineup, pick their two best pacers and Sohag and they've got 5 bowlers easily. When you factor in that Naeem will also play at some stage the situation is ridiculous.

Nasir Hossain is clearly good enough on batting alone.

 

[The Battlers Prince]

On a random note I think Anderson will be good test bowler if he decides in a couple of years he has enough Watson effort overs under his belt and decides he's safe enough from injuries to let rip again.



Would be feeling a lot more confident with Southee and Vettori in it. Heck, just one would make me feel better.

As you can see my Avatar I kinda like Vettori, and definitely Southee how he went against England last series. But Boult's made a good start and Bracewell are alright

 

[Prince EWS]

also it's CW ritual to question a young batsman's capability in mythical "bowling conditions" whenever they score runs even though everywhere is just flat

Haha you'll tend to be found out in alien conditions even when it's "flat" though if you have a poor technique. Mominul reminds me a lot of Dhawan actually; probably doesn't have quite the eye or the finesse but the technique is quite similar. It'll be very interesting to see how they go in England, Australia and South Africa. Not that Bangladesh wouldn't absolutely chew your arm off for someone who averaged 50 in the subcontinent and 20 in countries they only tour once in a blue moon anyway, mind you...

 

[hendrix]

Personally I think Mahmudullah is just as talented as Shakib, he just didn't make a name for himself quite as well and consequently doesn't have the power to say where he wants to bat. He quite rightly knows that he's not a number 3 batsman and if Bangladesh want a number 3 batsman then they should look for a number 3 batsman.

There's simply no need for any team to ever play more than 2 allrounders, and Bangladesh's best 2 are Shakib and Mahmudallah. Not Nasir Hossain. Not anyone else.

Just because their best batsman are also allrounders doesn't mean you can't bat another batsman behind them at 8. Having allrounders doesn't mean you need more bowlers, it means you have the chance to pick fewer.

Pick their best 3 bowlers, those 2 allrounders and stack their batting lineup to hell.
1. Batsman
2. Batsman
3. Batsman
4, Batsman
5. Shakib
6. Mahmudallah
7. Mushfiqur, or any away around you want to put it
8. Batsman
9. Spinner
10. Pace bowler
11. Pace bowler

 

[hendrix]

Nasir Hossain is clearly good enough on batting alone.

well, if you think so, but the point is that he has to make it as a batsman alone ahead of other batsmen because personally I think Bangladesh's best batsman are 1. Shakib 2. Mushfiqur 3. Mahmudullah.

That they are also allrounders is a huge bonus for the team which ostensibly should allow them to pick more batsmen. These batsmen should be selected as batsmen alone, and their bowling should have nothing to do with it.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Haha you'll tend to be found out in alien conditions even when it's "flat" though if you have a poor technique. Mominul reminds me a lot of Dhawan actually; probably doesn't have quite the eye or the finesse but the technique is quite similar. It'll be very interesting to see how they go in England, Australia and South Africa. Not that Bangladesh wouldn't absolutely chew your arm off for someone who averaged 50 in the subcontinent and 20 in countries they only tour once in a blue moon anyway, mind you...

Of course there are some deficiencies which will screw you outside the SC like Raina's ball-above-knee-high phobia, but the old addage that "doesn't move his feet, fodder against good bowlers" doesn't really ring true these days, there's just so many exceptions. The best modern batsmen seem to favour playing the ball very late from the crease without much of a stride, which is frowned upon by classical coaches.

 

[WindieWeathers]

As impressive as the Bangladesh batsmen have been, I'll pass on that if all they are going to do is produce absolute roads. The chances of either team winning this game is slim to none just like the last one.

To be honest we had to play on some absolute roads aswell when we toured there last year HERE!!..as you can see the first test had two 500 plus first innings!!...and yet we still found a way to win, so my view is if you've got an attack that can perform in these conditions then you should get a result.

 

[hendrix]

To be honest we had to play on some absolute roads aswell when we toured there last year HERE!!..as you can see the first test had two 500 plus first innings!!...and yet we still found a way to win, so my view is if you've got an attack that can perform in these conditions then you should get a result.

You guys have a good spinner though.
Tino Best has a bit of pace which is missing from the NZ attack. That's why we're really excited about Milne. Very soon the attack could be Southee, Boult, Milne, Vettori, Anderson, which I'd back to perform anywhere.

 

[Scaly piscine]

****'s sake stop picking ****ing Razzak. Mahmudullah is a better bowler and miles better batsman and he's not playing?

Hate seeing teams that have such awful selections in them.