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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    what unproven youth though? Assuming we already get Milne in the team, who else would you want in the 4th bowlers spot? Noone else justifies selection IMO.
    Well, not strictly youth, but Wagner definitely got a rough cut imo. Boult, Southee, Milne, Wagner, Williamson would be my ideal world lineup with no injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Yeah New Zealand's record of 1 win, 8 losses and 3 draws since Vettori destroyed his ankle is obvious evidence of this trend.
    Better than 0 wins 301 losses or whatever it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Well, not strictly youth, but Wagner definitely got a rough cut imo. Boult, Southee, Milne, Wagner, Williamson would be my ideal world lineup with no injuries.
    agreed that Wagner got a rough cut, but playing 4 specialist pacers is a bad idea anywhere in the subcontinent and even England or NZ these days. If the first 3 can't get the job done I don't see what the 4th adds.

    Even South Africa try to play a spinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Better than 0 wins 301 losses or whatever it was.
    The marginal uptick in New Zealand's performances since Vettori dropped out is almost entirely down to Southee and Boult being brought into the side and establishing themselves as a quality new-ball pairing. It has nothing to do with Vettori's absence encouraging the rest of the team "stand up" or some nebulous crap like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Better than 0 wins 301 losses or whatever it was.
    Vettori has been involved in 33 test wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    agreed that Wagner got a rough cut, but playing 4 specialist pacers is a bad idea anywhere in the subcontinent and even England or NZ these days. If the first 3 can't get the job done I don't see what the 4th adds.

    Even South Africa try to play a spinner.
    the notion that you have to play a specialist spinner in the SC is bull**** imo, probably encouraged by the home sides if anything. What kind of bowlers do they face regularly? Spinners. What kind of bowlers would they love to face? Spinners. What kind of bowlers are generally a cut or two (or ten, in our case) below the rest of touring side's bowlers? SPINNERS.

    The fourth pacer adds a hell of a lot imo. If one guy is having a bad day which is often going to happen, you're not running two of your guys into the ground or watching him leak at 5 rpo.

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    The Vettori absence to become another CW New Zealand community conspiracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Vettori has been involved in 33 test wins.
    and I'd love for him to build on that. Unless he revives his batting then I have my doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    The marginal uptick in New Zealand's performances since Vettori dropped out is almost entirely down to Southee and Boult being brought into the side and establishing themselves as a quality new-ball pairing. It has nothing to do with Vettori's absence encouraging the rest of the team "stand up" or some nebulous crap like that.
    Probably. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    What kind of bowlers are generally a cut or two (or ten, in our case) below the rest of touring side's bowlers? SPINNERS.
    Neil Wagner test bowling average: 42 economy rate: 3.32

    This is our 3rd or 4th best seamer.

    No, he is not ten cuts above Vettori. He's a cut below Vettori.

    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    It feels like dan's economy in tests is being slightly overstated. He was getting picked off at near 3 an over without getting any wickets when he was last playing.
    Economy rates from yesterday:
    Boult: 1.66
    Bracewell: 6.25
    Martin: 6.66
    Sodhi: 3.37
    Anderson: 2.66
    Williamson: 3.60

    This wasn't a Sehwag or Jayasuriya going after the bowling. All Mominul did was put away the bad balls, of which there were plenty.

    It is very, very clear to me that at the moment there's Southee and Boult and noone within miles of that level in our bowling attack. Vettori is the only proven performer close to their level.

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    Wagner has played eight games. I'll give him a few more.
    Also I'm probably still stuck in the fantasy world where Bracewell has built solidly upon his performance in hobart and hasn't horribly receded since.

    The "ten cuts" was more referring to the likes of Sodhi and Bartin ftr
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Wagner has played eight games. I'll give him a few more.
    Also I'm probably still stuck in the fantasy world where Bracewell has built solidly upon his performance in hobart and hasn't horribly receded since.
    I want to be in this fantasy land too tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Well, not strictly youth, but Wagner definitely got a rough cut imo. Boult, Southee, Milne, Wagner, Williamson would be my ideal world lineup with no injuries.
    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Even if we go with the untested (but hugely exciting) Milne, our best attack is Southee, Boult, Milne, Vettori.
    My ideal attack (with a nod to the batting Vettori would hopefully provide) would be the latter, plus Williamson, except that the latter attack does not have a single bowler that can shoulder a large number of overs. Would be forced to look to someone like Anderson for extra overs, or compromise somewhere to bring in Wagner the workhorse.

    Moot point though as I don't think Vettori will play another test.

    Anyone think Sodhi could have overtaken Bartin in our selectors' eyes as number one spinner by the end of this series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    My ideal attack (with a nod to the batting Vettori would hopefully provide) would be the latter, plus Williamson, except that the latter attack does not have a single bowler that can shoulder a large number of overs. Would be forced to look to someone like Anderson for extra overs, or compromise somewhere to bring in Wagner the workhorse.

    Moot point though as I don't think Vettori will play another test.

    Anyone think Sodhi could have overtaken Bartin in our selectors' eyes as number one spinner by the end of this series?
    If Bartin keeps producing more filth of the kind that peppered his first 3 overs, then it's not unlikely. But in all truth, if Sodhi is the best spinner we have (which he absolutely is not) then even I'm willing to admit that 4-seamers would be our best option.
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