***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh & Sri Lanka 2013

[Flem274*]

be careful what you type ****, because they might be reading

 

[hendrix]

haha. Really though, if Astle wasn't selected for this of all tours, I can't see what his route back into the team is.

If Sodhi fails, then that's how he'll get back. But like the Lyon/Agar situation, do we really want someone brought back because their replacement failed? It's such a bad policy.

So much better to have someone knock the door down for selection than risk the confidence of two players backing unproven talent.

 

[Bahnz]

haha. Really though, if Astle wasn't selected for this of all tours, I can't see what his route back into the team is.

If Sodhi fails, then that's how he'll get back. But like the Lyon/Agar situation, do we really want someone brought back because their replacement failed? It's such a bad policy.

So much better to have someone knock the door down for selection than risk the confidence of two players backing unproven talent.

From the sounds of that article, it seems unlikely that Sodhi will get a game in the first place, and that they're only bringing him along as a part of a learning experience and to keep him in a fully professional environment. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if McHesson choose to do an Agar, especially if New Zealand struggle in the first test.

 

[Kippax]

Cricket: Spin thin on ground but where to look - Sport - NZ Herald News

National selection manager Kim Littlejohn acknowledged there are furrowed brows at a high level.

"Yes there is a gap and yes we are concerned," he said yesterday. "There are some young spinners coming through the system but they are a long way off.

"If you look at someone like Ish Sodhi he needs time to develop. He's basically just out of school so we think it's not very wise for us to throw him in the deep end. We are looking at a few options.

Yeah the new owners of this restaurant are noticeably keener to serve me a 'she'll be right on the night' taste of Kiwi, if the current A Tour top 6 and this Ish 180 are the indication.

 

[Mike5181]

Sodhi's our best chance of actually developing a serviceable spin bowler so giving him a bit of experience in Bangladesh conditions makes sense. Astle averaged nearly 60 with the ball last season in domestic cricket as well. Happy to see Anderson there, Latham not so much. I guess with Broom's experiment failing and Anderson being a middle-order player, he was the logical reserve for the top order.

 

[straw man]

Can't object too much to the punt on Sodhi when our spin bowling stocks are fairly poor. Early promotion of the young talented spinner worked (kinda) in Vettori's case all those years ago, and perhaps they're concerned that at domestic level in NZ spinners often stagnate rather than progressing. Though for that logic to work Sodhi must actually play for NZ rather than just hanging round the squad for a subcontinent tour and then quietly disappearing for the next non-SC series.

A little disappointed for Astle though - on the face of it (i.e. stats) he's done better than Sodhi on this A tour so far, though the stats may well be misleading.

Southee out is obviously a huge loss. If we're expecting a Bangladeshi low slow anti-fast-bowler pitch I'd now be very tempted to play Sodhi instead of the third seamer.

 

[hendrix]

17y/o Vettori >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sodhi (or Agar, for that matter)

 

[straw man]

isn't Brownlie ****house in the SC though?

I reckon Anderson would actually probably be a better bet than Brownlie for this series. He'd be more at home on the slow pitches in Bangladesh, and obviously has had recent success against sub-standard bowling attacks in the sub-continent. But Brownlie deserves to keep his place for a while longer.

Two ways of looking at it. Brownlie is poor against spin (though apparently has been working hard on it) so this could be seen either as a reason to drop him or as a prime opportunity for him to improve against non-top-tier spin bowlers. I'd go with the latter at this stage.

 

[Bahnz]

17y/o Vettori >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sodhi (or Agar, for that matter)

Yeah, young Dan was pretty peculiar in the history of New Zealand cricket. Cracking 100 wickets by the time he was 21 and doing that at an average of 32...we grizzle about how he's never one us a game with the ball, but he actually did it in his very first season:

2nd Test: New Zealand v Sri Lanka at Hamilton, Mar 14-17, 1997 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Only makes his subsequent mediocrity with the ball over the past decade all the more disappointing.

 

[straw man]

2nd Test: New Zealand v Sri Lanka at Hamilton, Mar 14-17, 1997 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Hard to believe Vettori played with guys so completely from another era - e.g. Dipak Patel, and is still going. Blair Pocock 83 and Heath Davis 5/63; what a time to be alive.

There's a good graph of Vettori's bowling career from wikipedia that unfortunately only goes to 2008. Shows the great start and that 03/04 were horrible for him.

I'm waiting to see more of Sodhi's bowling before forming an opinion on it.

 

[Kippax]

4/10/2013 - 6/10/2013
BCB XI vs BLACKCAPS - Warm Up
M A Aziz Stadium, Chittagong

9/10/2013 - 13/10/2013
Bangladesh vs BLACKCAPS - Test Match
Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury Stadium, Chittagong

21/10/2013 - 25/10/2013
Bangladesh vs BLACKCAPS - Test Match
Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium, Dhaka

29/10/2013
Bangladesh vs BLACKCAPS - ODI
Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium, Dhaka

1/11/2013
Bangladesh vs BLACKCAPS - ODI
Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium, Dhaka

4/11/2013
Bangladesh vs BLACKCAPS - ODI
Khan Shaheb Osman Ali Stadium, Fatullah

6/11/2013
Bangladesh vs BLACKCAPS - [Subject to ICC approval]
Sylhet Divisional Stadium

10/11/2013
Sri Lanka vs BLACKCAPS - ODI
Mahinda Rajapaksa International Cricket Stadium, Hambantota

12/11/2013
Sri Lanka vs BLACKCAPS - ODI
Mahinda Rajapaksa International Cricket Stadium, Hambantota

16/11/2013
Sri Lanka vs BLACKCAPS - ODI
Rangiri Dambulla International Stadium

19/11/2013
Sri Lanka vs BLACKCAPS - International Twenty-20
Pallekele International Cricket Stadium, Kandy

21/11/2013
Sri Lanka vs BLACKCAPS - International Twenty-20
Pallekele International Cricket Stadium, Kandy

 

[Blain]

Jeez I hate players like Sodhi and Latham in the test squad. Sure, they are talented, but let them build up experience and a half decent bloody domestic record before throwing them in the team before guys who actually have earnt their way through state cricket.

TBH I would go Ronchi and Patel over these 2, how **** would it be if we lost this tour due to lack of experience. It's not like we are playing them at home in conditions where they have played since they were 5. We are going to play on dust bowls against 23 Left arm orthadox spin bowlers, even our senior players are **** house against spin.

 

[hendrix]

Yup.

Martin as the number one spinner could get smashed (or injured) in the first test. And then they'd be bringing in a 20 y/o debutant under that pressure situation. It could be a great opportunity for him, but it's just such an unnecessary punt to take when we could give him a couple of seasons to develop.

Huge series for Bracewell, this. He'll be taking the new ball, one would imagine.

 

[Mike5181]

Patel? **** that.

 

[Maximas]

Gotta be Astle for me

 

[Maximas]

Boult and Wagner are gonna make life much easier for Sohag Gazi as well, NZ's performance against Swann with the footmarks at Headingley doesn't inspire confidence in the batting

 

[Mike5181]

Gotta be Astle for me

The guy averaged nearly sixty with the ball last season.

 

[Maximas]

The guy averaged nearly sixty with the ball last season.

I think you need a wrist spinner, was the best wicket-taker on this a tour out of the spinners, I think he'd do OK

 

[RxGM]

Pleased to see that there is a warm up game will allow for shoot out between Anderson & Brownlie. I think with out Vettori we should seriously consider going in with 5 specialist bowlers as I think we will struggle to take twenty wickets.
On Vettori yes he was an excellent bowler at 18 but we had essentially broken him by the time he turned 22. Yes he was still a quality bowler but he never achieved his test peak due to injury. I think that is partially to do with being picked at such a young age, It would be interesting to hear how Vettori feels about being picked so young with the benifit of hinesight;
Sodhi is a few years older but he is so lean as a leggie it just screams injury-waiting-to-happen. I would just like to see him get more overs under the belt at a lower intesity and improve his game.
Happy to be proved wrong but I dont see Sodhi being our first choice spinner in 2 years time which must be what McHesson are targetting with this selection.

 

[Immenso]

An I seeing double? Or is that 7 ODIs ???

I gave been looking at poorly resoluted screens all day