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    I guess it was always going to look terrible without Henry, Milne and Anderson. Raval should be the first opener picked on these tours. He has a good record and is still young. We already know what Flynn can do. Broom should be ahead of Guptill as the reserve middle-order batsman in the test side so why they're ****ing around with him as an opener on an A tour have no idea.

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    I don't have a big problem with the bowling. Ideally, I'd like to see one of Milne or Henry in the team, but it always made sense to have a bowl off between the two leggies at some stage, and it's a tour of the sub-continent anyway so why not?
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    Why the **** Guptill, supposedly our reserve opener, isn't over there bewilders me. He can't play spin so isn't this the ideal opportunity for him to play against it?
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    C'mon Flem, he hit 2 hundreds in a row against England earlier this year! He's gotta be one of the best openers we've ever had!


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    Yeah I completely forgot about Raval. That non-selection is very strange.

    Neesham batting 6 is rather hilarious, but again I don't have a problem with it from a developmental perspective.

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    I don't see the 2 leggies in the team as a surprise, or as a bowl off.

    It's India, of course they will play 2 spinners. The only spinners in the squad are leggies. In fact next cab off the rank for this squad would also be a leggie (Nethula, behaviour permitting).

    The only decent finger spinners around the NZ FC scene are Vettori, Patel, Martin. Who are all well over 30, plenty of test experience etc

    It does make that Neesham or Anderson role on this tour an important one.

    Plenty of us have already discussed the awful balance of the tour selection. Seeing the batting order, and the wasted opportunity cost, just makes me want to punch a littlejohn or buchanan.
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    Buchanan was the one who actually set up the tour, so no punching him.

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    Yeah agree here, no Raval and we have Devcich in the touring team :S WTF!! A 24yo opener with an average close to 40 in NZ is very rare. I hope he can push on upwards with Auckland this year and prove he is a genuine option.

    Him and Rutherford should be opening on this tour imo. Rutherford has hardly proven he is the real deal yet. Very promising, but very one dimensional at this stage. Raval is more the grafter, which NZ has lacked since Richardson.

    Cachopa is there as a reward for his start of last season, but from memorary was very average at the later stages. Mitchell is a good pick. I would have gone (with Anderson, Henry and Milne out;

    Rutherford
    Raval
    Mitchell
    Broom
    Latham
    Munro
    Ronchi
    Neesham
    Sodhi
    Bracewell
    Gillespie

    Bloody lawn bowlers.

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    Two leggies in the same team is a mistake. It's rare for opposition spinners to play a major role in victories in the subcontinent. The last duo to be effective was Swann/Panesar and Astle/Sodhi aren't close to the former combination.

    Three quicks is the way to go, though with Neesham playing we have that already.

    edit: wouldn't commit to calling Raval a grafter. Was first noticed for his strokeplay iirc.
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    are you playing for team balance or are you playing for development? 2 leggies is fine, they'll probably have better luck than any finger spinner you have anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximas View Post
    are you playing for team balance or are you playing for development? 2 leggies is fine, they'll probably have better luck than any finger spinner you have anyway
    It's harder to develop and benefit from an A tour when you're being played massively out of your usual position as 4 of the current top 6 are.

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    I don't mind the policy of leaving out players like Rutherford and Brownlie as including them tells them they're on thin ice and are constantly on trial (Kippax made some post along these lines). Give them just a little comfort and space to develop in the NZ side without feeling the dogs yapping at their heels all the time.

    Regarding Raval I wonder if he's made himself unavailable as otherwise it is very strange to omit him and instead select 0.5 openers in the squad. Whereas it's clear Flynn has been blacklisted after two extended runs of failure in the NZ side. We'll probably next see him recalled to play for NZ in the wrong format in 2018 at age 33 after a couple of years in the doldrums and a couple more bullying PS bowlers a la Jamie How and Craig Cumming. Sad face. Needs to open for ND this season and average 60 to force NZ selectors' hand. Then again that may be difficult while continually slashing the new ball to third slip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    And yes, then there's Flynn's absence, the fact that Neesham usually bats at number 8 for Otago, that playing both Ronchi and de Boorder is a waste of a middle order spot, and the small issue that Cachopa ****s himself whenever confronted by anything shorter than a half volley.
    He may just be in luck this tour then, young Carl Rainachopa. Though what's he like against spin? My guess is the same as it is for any other domestic NZ batsman.

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    Often seems a very poor player of spin to me Raval, just from some PS wickets I've seen. Only pressed on past 50 once last year as well. Might do a Witness the ****ness video on him sometime, although Cribb has robbed me of my delight in making those by claiming they're desperately unfair.

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    I've thought about it some more and I don't see why it's so bad or difficult to select a balanced squad so they could field the below side, even excluding injured players (so bowlers) and allowing for their Latham experiment and Flynn blacklisting:

    Tom Latham
    Jeet Raval
    Martin Guptill
    Neil Broom
    Daryl Mitchell
    Carl Cachopa/Jimmy Neesham
    Luke Ronchi
    Doug Bracewell
    Ish Sodhi
    Mark Gillespie
    Ben Wheeler

    Much better team imo, and yes I am hiding Cachopa from any modicum of bounce.

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