Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
All great batters score at a run rate bet 2.5 to 3.5. Those outside of it - Viv Richards, Sehwag, Gilchrist at one end and Sutcliffe, Hutton, Boycott at the lower side - are mere exceptions to this rule. The most celebrated of them score between 3 and 3.5 runs/ over. Ideal test match batting means you plan to score between 260 and 320 on a day of batting depending on the bowling you are facing. Only when you are in a strong position can you afford to up the run rate and give yourself a chance to bowl out your opposition. Since your opposition is likely to have good bowlers and batters who can capitalise on your mistakes you play for time as often as you play for scoring loads of runs.
It is not a coincidence that these three slow coaches happen to be opening batsmen from Yorkshire. Their technique was especially honed on stickies and as the bedrocks of a traditional team everyone was watching with extra attention, no wonder they prioritised caution over flamboyance. The three hard hitters mentioned here, OTOH, played for successful teams that also had other star batters to step up in case their stroke play let them down on certain days. There was always a Haynes, a Dravid or a Waugh to steady the ship and grant Richards and Sehwag and Gilchrist the kind of freedom they needed to express themselves with unbridled aggression.
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Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.
If he comes above Hobbs I think'll cry.
Excellent thread DoG - enjoyed it from the start. What a wonderful formula you have settled on.
My two cents the top 5:
Graeme Pollock and Headley's Test careers are incredibly similar stats-wise. The big difference being the length of Headley's career. From Fred's article, it suggests that Headley's career went too long and Pollock's Test career was clearly too short.
Anyway, it's an interesting result if the gap between them is statistically significant, but would would be great (given the similarity of their careers) is if we could have a comparative breakdown of their ratings - once Headley has been pulled out of the hat, of course.
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Vimes tells it how it is:
If you take out Headley's innings after the war, he would've averaged 69, I believe.
5. Brian Lara (West Indies) (1990-2006)
Career Length (Days): 5835
Percentage of team's matches played: 83%
Career Average: 52.88
Adjusted career average: 53.12
Adjusted away average: 48.78
Adjusted top-opposition average: 54.40
Top Tier centuries: 12 (rank 2nd)
Second tier centuries: 5
Third tier centuries: 14
Significant innings: 38
Significant innings per match: 0.29
Great innings: 11 (rank 1st)
3rd Test: Australia v West Indies at Sydney, Jan 2-6, 1993 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.63
5th Test: West Indies v England at St John's, Apr 16-21, 1994 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 14.79
2nd Test: West Indies v Australia at Kingston, Mar 13-16, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 19.58
3rd Test: West Indies v Australia at Bridgetown, Mar 26-30, 1999 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 25.49
3rd Test: Australia v West Indies at Adelaide, Dec 15-19, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.97
3rd Test: Sri Lanka v West Indies at Colombo (SSC), Nov 29-Dec 3, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 14.28
1st Test: South Africa v West Indies at Johannesburg, Dec 12-16, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 12.83
4th Test: West Indies v England at St John's, Apr 10-14, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 15.57
2nd Test: West Indies v South Africa at Port of Spain, Apr 8-12, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.57
3rd Test: West Indies v South Africa at Bridgetown, Apr 21-24, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 15.12
3rd Test: Australia v West Indies at Adelaide, Nov 25-29, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 17.85
Innings worth average: 4.08 (rank 4)
25 Test peak adjusted average: 66.55 (2001-2004)
50 Test peak adjusted average: 60.39 (2000-2005)
Quality Points: 639
Career Points: 150 (max points allowed, 173 actual points)
Peak Points: 137
TOTAL POINTS: 927
Brian Charles Lara has played more great innings than any other test batsman in the history of the game. And what makes this stat so impressive is that he played most of those innings with minimal support from teammates. Only two of his great innings resulted in West Indies victories. Those two were in his seminal series against Australia in 1999, perhaps the greatest series of batting that test cricket has ever known. How much more would his innings be worth if West Indies were a stronger team? It is hard to judge. Putting that aside, Lara was often accused of inconsistently, of not turning up. But when he did, he scored mountains of runs, often against top-class bowling attacks. I feel that no.5 is a good place for a batsman that often touched genius but also slightly underachieved and could not drag his team to more wins.
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Greatest Ever Test XI: JB Hobbs, L Hutton, DG Bradman (c), IVA Richards, BC Lara, GS Sobers, AC Gilchrist (wk), Imran Khan, RJ Hadlee, MD Marshall, SK Warne 12th man: M Muralitharan
Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood
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Blocky on Martin Guptill and Ish Sodhi. 20/11/2014.
unfair on Lara to be blamed for the ineptitude of the WI side
But Brian Charles Lara, WAFG. I feel privileged to have watched his greatest innings live
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
He was touched by genius, but if any member for the top ten of this list underachieved it was BCL, such was his potential and ability, and I couln't have said it better.
Top work DoG, keep them coming.
Well done Lara, the highest rated batsman from the last few decades is a terrific achievement for the Prince. Love how many great innings he produced.
By any chance, what was Hashan Tillekaratne's double century in that SSC game worth? And will this make Vaas' 14fer a great performance?
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BC Lara scored four of his top five rated innings against Australia at a time when he was needed. He got some rough calls against him sometimes when I'd be watching, and I'd be screaming at the tv how stupid the umpires were. The most exciting batsman I saw and makes me wonder about how exciting Richards must have been when this guy is ALWAYS rated behind him by some people. But so happy Lara featured so highly. For me can't be high enough but well done DoG
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