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    Obviously something rated 12.50.
    Greatest Ever Test XI: JB Hobbs, L Hutton, DG Bradman (c), IVA Richards, BC Lara, GS Sobers, AC Gilchrist (wk), Imran Khan, RJ Hadlee, MD Marshall, SK Warne 12th man: M Muralitharan


    Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood

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    I think Marcuss meant, what is the great innings with the fewest runs?

    Tangentially, what was the last great innings?
    Every 5 years we have an election and have to decide who are the least obnoxious out of all the men. Then one gets in and they age really quickly. Which is always fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I think Marcuss meant, what is the great innings with the fewest runs?

    Tangentially, what was the last great innings?
    I assumed Marcuss was looking to see the worst of the great innings thus called in order to compare it to that one from Asif Iqbal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Cramming some Japanese today. No.8 might be tonight.

    Going back to the debate about what constitutes a "great" innings, how about this effort from Asif Iqbal:


    3rd Test: England v Pakistan at The Oval, Aug 24-28, 1967 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo


    It was essentially meaningless. Like Kallis' 60-odd, his team had no chance of winning the match, but even so, is it an innings worthy of being called "great"?
    'tis an interesting question - I don't think this innings was really - Pakistan were always going to lose and England were under no sort of pressure - Brian Close, in the way that Closey did, took him on and kept up his attacking fields which helped Asif score quickly using the many gaps that were left

    Asif's greater innings was probably his 76 in the first Test of the series which, along with Hanif's undoubtedly great if rather tedious 187*, allowed Pakistan to draw a Test that, after their hammering in 1962, it was feared that they might not get close to managing


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    How about if the innings isn't one of the top 3 scored in the match, it can't be considered "great"?

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    Without looking into specifics at all, I would say that would make sense outside of maybe in a successful fourth innings chase. I can imagine someone scoring 80 odd in a successful chase of 8 for 120 or something would be great regardless if a few guys score 100's on days 1 or 2 or something?

    Man this **** is hard to quantify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    How about if the innings isn't one of the top 3 scored in the match, it can't be considered "great"?
    Disagree. Strauss' 60 at Sydney in the last Ashes was greater than Prior's ton IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Cramming some Japanese today. No.8 might be tonight.

    Going back to the debate about what constitutes a "great" innings, how about this effort from Asif Iqbal:


    3rd Test: England v Pakistan at The Oval, Aug 24-28, 1967 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo


    It was essentially meaningless. Like Kallis' 60-odd, his team had no chance of winning the match, but even so, is it an innings worthy of being called "great"?

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    DoG, after the current Ashes series does Ian Bell break into the top 100? Do Cook and Pietersen lose many places?
    He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right, but when he bowls at the stumps, he makes England look ****e!


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    8. Viv Richards ( West Indies) (1974-1991)



    Career Length (Days): 6103
    Percentage of team's matches played: 87%
    Career Average: 50.23
    Adjusted career average: 49.87
    Adjusted away average: 51.11
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 52.32
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 8
    Third tier centuries: 14
    Significant innings: 45 (rank 9=)
    Significant innings per match: 0.37

    Great innings: 6
    2nd Test: India v West Indies at Delhi, Dec 11-15, 1974 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.44
    5th Test: England v West Indies at The Oval, Aug 12-17, 1976 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.76
    4th Test: Pakistan v West Indies at Multan, Dec 30, 1980 - Jan 4, 1981 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 12.69
    3rd Test: West Indies v England at Bridgetown, Mar 13-18, 1981 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 15.28
    4th Test: Australia v West Indies at Melbourne, Dec 22-27, 1984 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 12.62
    1st Test: India v West Indies at Delhi, Nov 25-29, 1987 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.97


    Innings worth average: 3.59

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 74.27 (1976-1980) (rank 5th)
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 61.88 (1976-1984)


    Quality Points: 615
    Career Points: 131
    Peak Points: 150 (rank 5th)
    TOTAL POINTS: 896


    Viv Richards is the coolest batsman to play the game and unfortunately I can't quantify his swagger and the way he tormented bowlers, otherwise he may well be in the top 3. However, his stats are still more than impressive. He has very high away and top opposition averages and he also contributed more than his fair share to the many wins the West Indies had in his era. His 25 match peak between 1976-1980 is probably the most dominate display of batting that the game has ever seen. It's too bad that he missed many matches because of WSC when at his absolute best. His overall career average may not be that high but if you look beyond that, as I have attempted to in this analysis, you will see a truly great performer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    8. Viv Richards ( West Indies) (1974-1991)



    Career Length (Days): 6103
    Percentage of team's matches played: 87%
    Career Average: 50.23
    Adjusted career average: 49.87
    Adjusted away average: 51.11
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 52.32
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 8
    Third tier centuries: 14
    Significant innings: 45 (rank 9=)
    Significant innings per match: 0.37

    Great innings: 6
    2nd Test: India v West Indies at Delhi, Dec 11-15, 1974 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.44
    5th Test: England v West Indies at The Oval, Aug 12-17, 1976 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.76
    4th Test: Pakistan v West Indies at Multan, Dec 30, 1980 - Jan 4, 1981 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 12.69
    3rd Test: West Indies v England at Bridgetown, Mar 13-18, 1981 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 15.28
    4th Test: Australia v West Indies at Melbourne, Dec 22-27, 1984 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 12.62
    1st Test: India v West Indies at Delhi, Nov 25-29, 1987 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo 13.97


    Innings worth average: 3.59

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 74.27 (1976-1980) (rank 5th)
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 61.88 (1976-1984)


    Quality Points: 615
    Career Points: 131
    Peak Points: 150 (rank 5th)
    TOTAL POINTS: 896


    Viv Richards is the coolest batsman to play the game and unfortunately I can't quantify his swagger and the way he tormented bowlers, otherwise he may well be in the top 3. However, his stats are still more than impressive. He has very high away and top opposition averages and he also contributed more than his fair share to the many wins the West Indies had in his era. His 25 match peak between 1976-1980 is probably the most dominate display of batting that the game has ever seen. It's too bad that he missed many matches because of WSC when at his absolute best. His overall career average may not be that high but if you look beyond that, as I have attempted to in this analysis, you will see a truly great performer.
    Fully agree, hard to quantify on how great a batsman he was and for me he is definately top three if not an outright number two.

    He did miss out on test cricket during his absolute peak, but so did Bradman, Headley, Hutton, Hammond and Chappell so thats nothing unique to him. Would be interested to see how it would affect most of the greats if the WSC and ROW matches were afforded Test status and counted towards their career numbers.

    Apart from the above he was the Master Blaster and for some the modern master who sadly played on way longer than he should have.
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    so, the seven players above viv are bradman, sobers, hobbs, lara, hutton, hammond, headley.. hmmm

    man it is so difficult for me to say this but I don't want to see this guy ranked below any of them except bradman. it kills me to even imagine that anyone could bat better than him - and i am the biggest lara fan one can imagine let me assure you.


    the greatest innings he played against india was in the fourth innings chase on the final day of that first test in west indies in '83. it was a blistering knock of 60 odd runs that still echoes in the memories all cricket fans of that vintage.

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    and for the ****ing record....

    after 22 tests viv averaged 64 compared to headley's 60 after the same number of games (at the end of his career)...

    suck on that george

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    Just looking at Viv's stats and he averaged 90 over 11 tests in 1976

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expressway76 View Post
    Just looking at Viv's stats and he averaged 90 over 11 tests in 1976
    This sort of thing happens more often than you'd expect. In a year of 12 Tests from 2010-11 Ian Bell averaged 97.

    It's the innings themselves that prize Viv, rather than the accumulation, I'm sure.
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