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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Wow. No top tier centuries, no great innings sounds like a soulless accumulator who is lucky to be so high.
    Yeah, but I also like that the system is even enough to have major outliers capable of getting up so high if they really excelled in a particular factor (in this case, just piling on the runs).

    I don't think we'll see anyone else like him in the top 15, but it's nice to have a reminder of the diversity of point scoring here. MoYo and his ridiculous peak, Laxman and his great innings etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Yeah, but I also like that the system is even enough to have major outliers capable of getting up so high if they really excelled in a particular factor (in this case, just piling on the runs).

    I don't think we'll see anyone else like him in the top 15, but it's nice to have a reminder of the diversity of point scoring here. MoYo and his ridiculous peak, Laxman and his great innings etc etc
    Yep, you've worded that well, I agree.

    I've thought this before, but its just easy to see why Barrington isn't rated as highly as his record/ranking suggests.
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    So composition of top 15:

    Aus, Eng, WI: 4 each
    SA, Ind, SL: 1 each

    EDIT: Keen to know who will be the last batsman without a great innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    So composition of top 15:

    Aus, Eng, WI: 4 each
    SA, Ind, SL: 1 each

    EDIT: Keen to know who will be the last batsman without a great innings.
    Looking through he remaining 15, I can't believe any of them will be without a great innings, so I'd say it has to be Barrington.
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    Just rechecked. What DoG said was that Weekes was one of the 3 batsmen with no great innings in top 50. I thought he had said that of top 25. So I guess, yes, Barrington is the last one without great innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Wow. No top tier centuries, no great innings sounds like a soulless accumulator who is lucky to be so high.
    Not sure that's fair. If you look at his "innings worth average" it is up there with many of the best. So the fact that he never got that higher than the threshold for great must mean that he made up for it at the bottom end - i.e. he was slmost never dismissed for nothing. It speaks of a hugely reliable player who would pretty much always get some runs regardless of a situation.

    So comparing for example Inzamam, who it seems had 7 great innings:

    0-10: 26 Barrington, 49 Inzamam
    10-30: 26 Barrington, 30 Inzamam

    It's the starts that make the difference. And even if they don't come up as "significant innings" they do make a difference, especially for a middle order player. They stall collapses, blunt good spells and form partnerships that can make a crucial difference.

    I'm pretty okay with players making up their average at the lower end. I think we're a bit too quick to dismiss the difference between 5 and 25, because it's a hell of a lot more that the difference between 300 and 350 in a match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Wow. No top tier centuries, no great innings sounds like a soulless accumulator who is lucky to be so high.
    Fully agree, thought he would be lower. The fact that he is higher than Pollock and Weekes shows that numbers can never tell the entire story. Understandable though as it is a statistical analysis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Fully agree, thought he would be lower. The fact that he is higher than Pollock and Weekes shows that numbers can never tell the entire story. Understandable though as it is a statistical analysis.
    The fact that Headley still hasn't appeared show that tbh.
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    Surprised to see Barrington without any great innings or top tier century
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    The fact that Headley still hasn't appeared show that tbh.
    The more I think about it, Headley's final ranking will be really interesting. On the one hand, it wouldn't surprise me if his Innings Worth was second only to Bradman's - or at least in the very top handful.

    On the other hand, his career points could be a real mixed bag. His career length was 24 years, but due to playing on after the war and the long gap between his last two series he actually only played in 22 of the West Indies' 45 Tests during that period - less than 50%. I imagine he'll take a hit for that.

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    BTW, I now remember Wisden 100 ranked Barrington even higher. He was ranked #7 behind Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Border and Hobbs in that order. Here is the reference.

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