ATG ODI XIs- nation by nation

[harsh.ag]

I love it how some posters insert totally random average players into alltime XIs. Nash was comparatively poor in limited overs cricket.

I'd replace Nash with Mills. Chats is close, but I'm going for the extra batting. Apart from that, a very good team.

I love it how some posters can't make their point, as correct as it may be, without being condescending. I just made those teams from memory, and I remembered Nash to be a decent bowler. But you are right. Chatfield and Mills have a far superior ODI record, and one of them should replace Nash

 

[MrPrez]

Duminy? He has done nothing. Can't even remember him playing a match winning knock.

Brilliant at turning the strike over, can launch it, great fielder, gives a second spin option.

There have quite possibly been better batsmen (Cullinan is one name that springs to mind), but not a better number 6 in my opinion.

 

[Mike5181]

1. GM Turner
2. NJ Astle
3. SP Fleming
4. MD Crowe
5. LRPL Taylor
6. CL Cairns
7. BB McCullum
8. Sir RJ Hadlee
9. DL Vettori
10. KD Mills
11. SE Bond

 

[harsh.ag]

Brilliant at turning the strike over, can launch it, great fielder, gives a second spin option.

There have quite possibly been better batsmen (Cullinan is one name that springs to mind), but not a better number 6 in my opinion.

How about Gibbs? Unorthodox placement at six, but could work. Maybe Brian McMillan?

My SA team was:

Gary Kirsten
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis
AB De Villiers
Daryll Cullinan
Herschelle Gibbs
Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock
Dale Steyn
Paul Adams
Allan Donald

Opinion?

 

[MrPrez]

How about Gibbs? Unorthodox placement at six, but could work. Maybe Brian McMillan?

My SA team was:

Gary Kirsten
Hashim Amla
Jacques Kallis
AB De Villiers
Daryll Cullinan
Herschelle Gibbs
Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock
Dale Steyn
Paul Adams
Allan Donald

Opinion?

Klusener does everything McMillan does, and better. I'd rather have Duminy in, as he's great at shifting the strike. Specialist number 6 and all.

With regards to your team, I'd take Smith on the basis that he has the ability to make a match his own. Kirsty was a great player, no doubt, but when I'm picking ATG teams, the spark Smith gives is enough to sway me.

Cullinan was talented, but overrated. ODI average of 33 and all.

Paul Adams is a great shout; I chose Botha due to his ability to slow down the runrate in the middle overs, but it really depends on what you're looking for from the spinner.

 

[Furball]

Botha's ineffective unless he's allowed to throw his doosra.

 

[MrPrez]

Disagree. Great defensive bowler.

 

[bagapath]

dont have to force in a spinner into the SA team when they didnt have a great ODI spinner. among pacers, donald and pollock are certainties. three out of klusener, phanie de villiers, makhaya ntini, dale steyn and brian mcmillan would be more than enough to round off a good bowling attack, considering kallis would also be there.

similarly the west indies team too doesnt need a specialist spinner.

gordon greenidge
chris gayle
brian lara
viv richards
clive lloyd (c)
larry gomes
jeff dujon
malcolm marshall
michael holding
joel garner
andy roberts

richards, gomes and gayle can fill in for the fifth bowler quite easily. considering how tough the four main bowlers would be to score of, the part-timers can even be expected to bag a few free wickets

 

[harsh.ag]

dont have to force in a spinner into the SA team when they didnt have a great ODI spinner. among pacers, donald and pollock are certainties. three out of klusener, phanie de villiers, makhaya ntini, dale steyn and brian mcmillan would be more than enough to round off a good bowling attack, considering kallis would also be there.

similarly the west indies team too doesnt need a specialist spinner.

gordon greenidge
chris gayle
brian lara
viv richards
clive lloyd (c)
larry gomes
jeff dujon
malcolm marshall
michael holding
joel garner
andy roberts

richards, gomes and gayle can fill in for the fifth bowler quite easily. considering how tough the four main bowlers would be to score of, the part-timers can even be expected to bag a few free wickets

I have the exact same team, except what do you think about Bravo or Hooper in place of Gomes? Better 5th bowling option. Plus, surely Viv at 3 and Lara at 4!

 

[smash84]

dont have to force in a spinner into the SA team when they didnt have a great ODI spinner. among pacers, donald and pollock are certainties. three out of klusener, phanie de villiers, makhaya ntini, dale steyn and brian mcmillan would be more than enough to round off a good bowling attack, considering kallis would also be there.

similarly the west indies team too doesnt need a specialist spinner.

gordon greenidge
chris gayle
brian lara
viv richards
clive lloyd (c)
larry gomes
jeff dujon
malcolm marshall
michael holding
joel garner
andy roberts

richards, gomes and gayle can fill in for the fifth bowler quite easily. considering how tough the four main bowlers would be to score of, the part-timers can even be expected to bag a few free wickets

Both McMillan and Dale Steyn are very ordinary ODI bowlers

 

[mde203]

For England I'd probably say:

Trescothick
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Stewart
Collingwood
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Gough

 

[MrPrez]

Both McMillan and Dale Steyn are very ordinary ODI bowlers

What?

 

[honestbharani]

dont have to force in a spinner into the SA team when they didnt have a great ODI spinner. among pacers, donald and pollock are certainties. three out of klusener, phanie de villiers, makhaya ntini, dale steyn and brian mcmillan would be more than enough to round off a good bowling attack, considering kallis would also be there.

similarly the west indies team too doesnt need a specialist spinner.

gordon greenidge
chris gayle
brian lara
viv richards
clive lloyd (c)
larry gomes
jeff dujon
malcolm marshall
michael holding
joel garner
andy roberts

richards, gomes and gayle can fill in for the fifth bowler quite easily. considering how tough the four main bowlers would be to score of, the part-timers can even be expected to bag a few free wickets

Really think BCL can open with Greenidge with Viv at 3 and you can find yourself a good ODI batter at 4 for the Windies.. Maybe Richie Richardson? Certainly think that is a better option than having Gayle who IMO is not as good an ODI player as is made out.

 

[smash84]

What?

yes, as good a bowler as Steyn is in test cricket, there have been few other bowlers who have had such a disparity in their test and ODI records. Steyn is quite ordinary in ODIs. I would be happy to be proven wrong but his record speaks for himself in ODIs.

 

[morgieb]

yes, as good a bowler as Steyn is in test cricket, there have been few other bowlers who have had such a disparity in their test and ODI records. Steyn is quite ordinary in ODIs. I would be happy to be proven wrong but his record speaks for himself in ODIs.

His ODI record has vastly improved, he's now averaging like 28, which while not great isn't really awful as you say.

 

[smash84]

is his overall record really so good to put him in the AT SA XI. As ODI bowlers you can probably put donald, pollock, ntini ahead and then you have so many all rounders to choose from. Steyn has only recently become decent as you say but he still has a long way to go

 

[Furball]

I have the exact same team, except what do you think about Bravo or Hooper in place of Gomes? Better 5th bowling option. Plus, surely Viv at 3 and Lara at 4!

Bravo is ****.

 

[Furball]

Disagree. Great defensive bowler.

Must just be a horrible coincidence that Botha's crap when the ICC stop him throwing then.

 

[harsh.ag]

Really think BCL can open with Greenidge with Viv at 3 and you can find yourself a good ODI batter at 4 for the Windies.. Maybe Richie Richardson? Certainly think that is a better option than having Gayle who IMO is not as good an ODI player as is made out.

Gayle as a 5th bowling option adds a lot to that side, so think he is worth it. We should just select Sobers in the team, since we technically have that option

 

[BeeGee]

I love it how some posters can't make their point, as correct as it may be, without being condescending. I just made those teams from memory, and I remembered Nash to be a decent bowler. But you are right. Chatfield and Mills have a far superior ODI record, and one of them should replace Nash

Geoff Allot and Chris Pringle would also be candidates. Mills probably by a nose due to his batting.