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    Should Trott bat at number two for England?

    Don't think England have sorted this out since Strauss...

    Anyone agree, Pietersen at 3, Bell 4, then etc etc..

    Thoughts?

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    You think Root has the experience not to let them down under pressure?
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    yeah Root looks good, played well for 30 before getting a good bowl that was unexpected, then was unlucky to be strangled down the legside. Pieterson at 3 is probably the more worrying thing if Trott moves up

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    Yep, you got a point there.

    Pietersen gives the side balance at 4, however I think England might be under pressure from an Australian side with nothing to loose in this series.

    Bell would probably show up better at 4, extra responsibility. Maybe that would reign in Pietersen too @ 3 ??

    I'm not suggesting Root is not good enough, or should even be out the side btw.

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    Root is actually an opener. They should stick with him IMO, he's not suited for the lower order.
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    Think he opened once on tour. Maybe Bangladesh?

    Trott at #3 is one of our strengths tho and I hate losing one of those to paper over a perceived weakness elsewhere. It's a matter of record Pietersen (for whatever unearthy reason) doesn't like going in at first drop and Bell at three is just packed full of faily goodness, so it's a no-brainer.
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    I would not imagine he would be good down the order either, therefore, he HAS to play at 2. This may be a weakness in the England side for this ashes series, if he doesn't deliver.

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    Trott is well suited to 3 but not sure Root has the experience in this situation. Time will tell in his next few innings.You are correct Boybrumby, it's a no brainer and that may be the issue....

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    Although I think Trott should stay at number 3, this is part of a larger point about how players are bracketed at a certain number. Do we really want to think that George Headley, Rahul Dravid or Sachin Tendulkar would not have done phenomenally well at the opening position? Viv and Lara did their best at number 3, even though Lara preferred 5. Dravid was anyways a de-facto opener for India for a long time, just like Headley was for the Windies back in the day. What do you guys think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Although I think Trott should stay at number 3, this is part of a larger point about how players are bracketed at a certain number. Do we really want to think that George Headley, Rahul Dravid or Sachin Tendulkar would not have done phenomenally well at the opening position? Viv and Lara did their best at number 3, even though Lara preferred 5. Dravid was anyways a de-facto opener for India for a long time, just like Headley was for the Windies back in the day. What do you guys think?
    First of all it almost seems like a culture thing, where in England the best batsmen open, while everywhere else the best batsmen seemed to gravitate to the middle order. That aside, there is no reason to belive that Dravid or Headley in particular wouldn't have been brilliant as openers and they often filled that role anyway and there is more pressure for the number three coming in early that the openers batting with no wicket lost.
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    I agree with the above kyear2, especially about Tendulka, he could have batted anywhere. England do have a weakness here. Without experience, Root will struggle against an under-rated Australian team who will get him cheaply. The middle order of England have always been prone to a nervous collapses. Pietersen is seen as the balance for the side but without opening runs both he and Trott will perform in prescribed heady manner. Pressure is more keenly felt when a side is favorite. Therefore, my opening point remains, it is not about the runs for England here but the wickets lost at the start of the innings, without superiority in batting being established. Trott could provide that by staying in for long periods, frustrating the Australian bowlers. Root probably won't. Under pressure the cracks are showing in the top order, especially in the second innings today.
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    Haha. You said 'number two'

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    If Trott wanted to open I'm sure he would have been moved up when Strauss retired, and however attractive an idea it might seem to be if the bloke doesn't want the job there's no point asking him to do it - square pegs/round holes et al

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