Proud Supporter of All Blacks
For me these guys are non-negotiable-
Bradman, Sobers, Imran, Hobbs, Viv, Tendulkar, Warne, Marshall, Gilly.
So I only had to decide between Hutton and Gavaskar, McGrath and Lillee.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
A last word on the two South Africans;
I consider Barry Richards to be the best batsman I have ever seen, and it was very sad that he was lost to international cricket because of apartheid. He played in only 4 Tests, during which he averaged 75. I know that people will argue that you cannot judge a man on four Tests, but I maintain that he was the best, and there are a lot of very knowledgeable people in the game who would agree with me.
Umpire "Dickie" Bird - My 'Autobiography' (page312)Barry Richards once made a fifty against a club side while turning the bat sideways and using the edge, back in the day when the edge of a bat was slightly thicker than a padded envelope. David English recalled the time that Richards turned out for his charity side, the Bunburys: "He flew from Queensland specially to play against Norma Major's XI at Alconbury. He had no gear, just a well worn pair of golf shoes. With hastily borrowed equipment and a bat so old cobwebs still adorned the handle, the Master, bespectacled, stood at the crease and proceeded tentatively at first, to perform his strokes from memory. He had not lifted a bat for 12 years but scored 52."
Admittedly, if you looked hard enough you'd probably find about 10 supposed quotes on 10 batsman where Sir Donald thought that so-and-so was the 'best player he had seen'. However, this still doesn't detract from the fact that Pollock was a highly regarded batsman.Then we come to Graeme Pollock at number five. Now I believe he was the best left-hander I have ever seen, and I've seen some great ones - Neil Harvey (Australia), Brian Lara (West indies), Allan Border (Australia), and David Gower and Willie Watson (England).....
If you think that I have possibly gone over the top in assessing Pollock as the greatest left-hander of them all, I remember Sir Donald Bradman being quoted in a newspaper many years ago as saying that Pollock was the best player he had seen, which coming from Sir Donald must mean something, Pollock really was something very special.
Umpire "Dickie" Bird - 'My Autobiography' (pages 318-19)
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1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Barry Richards 3. Viv Richards 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Brian Lara 6. Garry Sobers 7. Adam Gilchrist 8. Richard Hadlee 9. Wasim Akram 10. Malcolm Marshall 11. Shane Warne
1. Jack Hobbs 2. Victor Trumper 3. Don Bradman 4. Charlie Macartney 5. Walter Hammond 6. Frank Woolley 7. Les Ames 8. Jack Gregory 9. Harold Larwood 10. Bill O'Reilly 11. Sydney Barnes
Eagerly waiting for the day when people stop pretending with a straight face that Warne is a certainty/non-negotiable in a world XI. There's competition guys, very strong one at that.
ATG Test XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. S.R Tendulkar 5. W.R Hammond 6. G.S Sobers 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. Richard Hadlee 9. M.D Marshall 10. S.K Warne 11. G.D McGrath
Imran-- best bowling all-rounder ever. This guy is the best player to have come out of the subcontinent at the bare minimum.
Richards-- This is Sir Vivian Richards. Not only did he excel in batting like other greats, he also intimidated every bowler along the way in a era where bowlers had everything their way. He is only 2nd to Bradman.
Tendulkar-- If you don't let short term memory bias affect your judgment then you realize what a freak he has been. Don't even need to consider his perfectionist way of batting, his legacy, etc. His numbers alone warrant him a spot.
Hobbs-- You can call him the pioneer of batting and he was well ahead of his peers, so ATG XI is incomplete without him.
Warne -- Best leg-spinner ever, so he has to be there.
Went with McGrath over Lille due to his consistency and longevity. Say whatever but it is always harder to perform at the very high level for longer.
Gavaskar over Hutton because he played in a far more demanding era and he excelled when all his teammates around him were almost sitting-ducks
Last edited by centurymaker; 29-06-2013 at 11:09 PM.
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
In hindsight this is a poll-only sort of thread, and so while Smalis point is a good one, it probably belongs in the ATG arguing discussing thread, or whatever it's called.
Also find that Akram is often held up against Keith Miller, both are bowling allrounders, and everyone has their own favourite.
Sobers, wasn't a great fast bowler like Akram, but he had off and leg spin and all round fielding.
Akram was great, and won't be left out of many ATG teams, BUT he will miss some.
I personally have seven non negotiables and in order of how I rank them. Sobers, Bradman, Marshall, Gilchrist, Richards, Hobbs and Warne. Sachin and Glenn gets in because of their amazing longevity and consistency but mainly their astounding numbers and their success everywhere. Hutton has been more succesfull againts great bowlers than any other opener and he bests out Richards, though I prefer more assertive batsmen, he would anchor the team. Imran is the best bowling all rounder and along with Akram and Garner the best old ball bolwers.
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