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    Who would have thought the first post of this thread was going to lead to an argument as to whether Bradman was the greatest or not and result in ****ty posts about Bradman actually not being that good because he only played years ago with few teams blah blah blah.

    This thread asked for it, let's be honest here.

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    imagine what would happen if we had a thread about jono
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    So what would be the criteria whereby Bradman would lose his crown?

    If a batsman were to...

    1. Play 100+ Tests across a variety of countries.
    2. Average 70+ (maybe 65+) with a 55+ Strike Rate.
    3. Consistently face bowling of a high standard.

    ....then perhaps I would call him the best batsman of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    So what would be the criteria whereby Bradman would lose his crown?

    If a batsman were to...

    1. Play 100+ Tests across a variety of countries.
    2. Average 70+ (maybe 65+) with a 55+ Strike Rate.
    3. Consistently face bowling of a high standard.

    ....then perhaps I would call him the best batsman of all time.
    That would be a massive perhaps imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    So what would be the criteria whereby Bradman would lose his crown?

    If a batsman were to...

    1. Play 100+ Tests across a variety of countries.
    2. Average 70+ (maybe 65+) with a 55+ Strike Rate.
    3. Consistently face bowling of a high standard.

    ....then perhaps I would call him the best batsman of all time.
    Well for me, for a cricketer to be rated above the Don they'd have to average something like 55+ with the bat (plus a few doubles, triple or two and a decent conversion rate etc ) and average something like sub 22 with the ball (wpm of 4+, SR of 50 and below + a handful of 10 fors and 5 fors). And they'd have to do all of this over a fair amount of tests and simultaneously.
    Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!

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    Something I've always found baffling is how Bradman averages 100 and the other best batsmen average 50 (with a few rarities averaging close to 60). Why the hell don't a couple of batsmen average 70 or 75? Bradman is a freak. A complete anomoly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Something I've always found baffling is how Bradman averages 100 and the other best batsmen average 50 (with a few rarities averaging close to 60). Why the hell don't a couple of batsmen average 70 or 75? Bradman is a freak. A complete anomoly.
    It's ****ing awesome. I love it.

    People would accept it so much more if someone averaged 99, and then another 75, and then another 65 etc. But they didn't. Makes it so much more awesome.

    Even those overhyped guys that said Hussey was going to have the second best average to Bradman (so many of us told you ****s to calm down in 2006!) were disappointed. No one comes close!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    It's ****ing awesome. I love it.

    People would accept it so much more if someone averaged 99, and then another 75, and then another 65 etc. But they didn't. Makes it so much more awesome.

    Even those overhyped guys that said Hussey was going to have the second best average to Bradman (so many of us told you ****s to calm down in 2006!) were disappointed. No one comes close!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Something I've always found baffling is how Bradman averages 100 and the other best batsmen average 50 (with a few rarities averaging close to 60). Why the hell don't a couple of batsmen average 70 or 75? Bradman is a freak. A complete anomoly.
    What always gets me is to consider a guy like Ponting who averaged 80 or so for 6 years. During this time he was unstoppable scoring runs seemingly at will and yet still managed to fall short of Bradman's career average during this time.

    Then after that stop and think about First Class cricket and how in the history of game no one has matched or even come close Bradman's record there. You would think that if someone were a better or equal batsmen to Bradman they'd at very least come close to matching his record there where the opposition is likely to be weaker than Test level but it still hasn't happened.
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    Vijay Merchant got somewhat closer than most in terms of FC records, but yeah really not that close, and probably playing in a much weaker domestic system too (although this is a total assumption by me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus View Post
    Vijay Merchant got somewhat closer than most in terms of FC records, but yeah really not that close, and probably playing in a much weaker domestic system too (although this is a total assumption by me).
    True. Headley also averaged about 69 in first class. Both Ponsford and Woodfull who played early on with Bradman, in the same domestic system, they still only averaged about 65. Still, 25 runs ahead of Merchant is massive.

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