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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Playing on flat decks doesn't explain Bradman's average, as the greatest batsman of the era returned numbers consistent with great batsmen of every other era.

    I don't see how you can be so flippant in dismissing statistics either given that Bradman dominates every statistical category you can think of.
    Hey, you are missing out something, you forgot to call me a Sachin fan
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    Quote Originally Posted by karan316 View Post
    Hey, you are missing out something, you forgot to call me a Sachin fan
    Sorry, I assumed you were doing something other than trolling, won't happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karan316 View Post
    Four things that Bradman fans do

    People say stats alone cannot decide the greatness of a player, but the only thing which they use to prove Bradman's greatness is his stats(and a few stories of course, but the only valid point they have is his stats).

    Performance of a player against the minnows is never taken seriously, but in Bradman's case, they do take it very very seriously, his performance against the three hopeless minnows(out of the 4 inferior teams he played against) should never ever be questioned

    Never agree that Bradman played on the flattest decks ever and the only difficulty in his time were the sticky wickets where he failed.

    And if someone questions Bradman's greatness, you label him a Tendulkar fan even if his not and start taking the discussion off topic.
    Sorry to have to say this but the above is just an ignorant diatribe. Why do people think being a troll is so clever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Sorry, I assumed you were doing something other than trolling, won't happen again.
    Should never assume that here.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. A.C Gilchrist 7. Imran Khan 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath


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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Sorry, I assumed you were doing something other than trolling, won't happen again.
    I guess trolling started right after that post by me

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    This is one of the numerous misconceptions about Bradman and his era. The Australian wickets, pre war atleast, were fast. Modern WI pitches have been slow though that has been offset by some truly awful pitches in some cases.
    The pre war pitches in Australia were down right flat, hence why Australia developed exactly zero quality fast bowlers during the era and relied on O'Reilly, Grimmett and Ironmonger. And true, even in the '70's and '80's in the W.I, not all of the pitches were fast, Trinidad and Guyana were either flat or spinner friendly even back then.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    They weren't always flat, hence Larwood and Voce causing such consternation in 32/33 - they had expected flat pitches, but what they found was that generally the bounce was pretty uneven

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    The pre war pitches in Australia were down right flat, hence why Australia developed exactly zero quality fast bowlers during the era and relied on O'Reilly, Grimmett and Ironmonger. And true, even in the '70's and '80's in the W.I, not all of the pitches were fast, Trinidad and Guyana were either flat or spinner friendly even back then.
    That contradicts everything I've read about our pitches back then from individuals like O'Reilly and Bradman to authourities from Wisden. Our pitches were true but they were quick. O'Reilly said they were the only thing about them that gave bowlers the slightest hope. Overall you'll find foreign fast bowlers did much better in Oz than their home wickets in this era. England's pitches, in particular appeared to be quite slow.

    As an aside the nature of pitches has nothing to do with the production of pace men otherwise Pakistan wouldn't have produced any. We did produce men who were very fast however like McCormick and Nash. Others who were sharp like Wall. Wall's record in Oz being quite good. He struggled on the slow pitches of England. The fact we didn't produce fast men the quality of Gregory, McDonald, Lindwall, Miller or Johnston is just down to circumstance. In fact the post war trio mentioned flourished in a decade (the 40s) when our pitches were documented to have slowed right down.
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    The funny thing about Bradman fans is that NONE of them have watched him bat and make fancy assumptions.

    It's all white pride, only whites rate Bradman the greatest. Ask a non white or in fact very few whites, they will rate Viv Richards as the greatest.

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    That awkward moment where some tart brings race into a chat about how good some guy was at hitting a ball.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeGee View Post
    Yep, our raging seamers would have taken him down a peg or two. Daryl Tuffy would have torn him a new one.



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    Going by your logic, Lara is terrible against fast bowling then.

    I need a document that finds flaws in the technique and not dismissals to good balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

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