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    Quote Originally Posted by Blocky View Post
    Oh good, so he'll become Anil Kumble - capable of taking buckets of wickets on dusty death bowls with medium pacers that occasionally nibble, but absolutely ineffective in any other condition. Might as well tell his family to emigrate back to India as he's becoming a perfect bowler for their conditions.
    Um, Kumble still took 200 wickets at about 35 outside the sub-continent. I wouldn't call that "absolutely ineffective", and if Sodhi ever becomes good enough to post anything like those kinds of numbers he'd be of enormous benefit to the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Um, Kumble still took 200 wickets at about 35 outside the sub-continent. I wouldn't call that "absolutely ineffective", and if Sodhi ever becomes good enough to post anything like those kinds of numbers he'd be of enormous benefit to the team.
    I dare say 35 wickets at this stage would be a "great contribution" from Sodhi considering his poor domestic form and the fact that most sides don't struggle against spin bowling the way our sides do.

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    Not even sure what you're trying to say now. Regardless, I'm not sure how good Sodhi is going to become, but I'm prrpared to bet that if he's managed right he'll be better than any other spinner currently playing professional cricket in New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Not even sure what you're trying to say now. Regardless, I'm not sure how good Sodhi is going to become, but I'm prrpared to bet that if he's managed right he'll be better than any other spinner currently playing professional cricket in New Zealand.
    Yet, in comparison against Williamson at similar points in their career, Williamson had taken more wickets at a much lower average and has continued to be more effective in domestic cricket. I think within two to four years, if Mitchell Santner hasn't overtaken him as ND's first choice spinning all rounder, then Josef Walker will take his place as first choice spinner.

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    Not a much lower average. After his first 2 seasons of Plunket shield cricket Williamson had 29 wickets at 41. He hasn't yet finished his second season yet, but Sodhi has 28 wickets at 43. And yeah it's not great, but it's vastly superior than other recent u19 spinners like Nick Beard and Tim Johnston, it's also not terrible by general domestic standards. Jeetan Patel has performed similarly over the same period, as has Todd Astle.

    For the record, KW is obviously a vastly superior spinner to Sodhi ATM, and if he hadn't had to focus on his batting I think he probably could've developed into a better spin bowler than Sodhi will ever be.

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    I'd want to test KW and Nick Beard's actions before I'd even consider them for national selection (if KW was a specialist spinner).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Not a much lower average. After his first 2 seasons of Plunket shield cricket Williamson had 29 wickets at 41. He hasn't yet finished his second season yet, but Sodhi has 28 wickets at 43. And yeah it's not great, but it's vastly superior than other recent u19 spinners like Nick Beard and Tim Johnston, it's also not terrible by general domestic standards. Jeetan Patel has performed similarly over the same period, as has Todd Astle.

    For the record, KW is obviously a vastly superior spinner to Sodhi ATM, and if he hadn't had to focus on his batting I think he probably could've developed into a better spin bowler than Sodhi will ever be.
    Sodhi will not take as many test wickets as Kane Williamson. Nick Beard struggles to get a game for Otago. Jeetan Patel is a failed prospect, Todd Astle is another "OMG WE HAVE A LEGSPINNER" selection that should never have made NZ and will be a better batsman than spin bowler for Canterbury. I think we're all in violent agreement that Sodhi has no business being anywhere near NZ selection so I won't harp on this point further, but I don't see anything different out of Sodhi that I haven't seen out of a dozen leg spinners, except for the fact that Sodhi can bat a bit.

    ND have this horrible policy of selecting really bad spin bowlers who bat a bit. Keir Bettley, Jono Boult (who performs better at domestic than Sodhi) come to mind as recent selections. Since Bruce Martin left the province, and Vettori stopped playing, Williamson has been their best spinbowler by a country mile.

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    So, what other drums do you have to beat, Blocky?

    We've already got

    1. Guptill hate
    2. Sodhi abuse
    3. Wagner the top order destroyer

    Can you give us any idea of what other topics we should expect to be beaten over the head repeatedly over in the forthcoming months and years? I'd like time to make adequate mental preparation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    So, what other drums do you have to beat, Blocky?

    We've already got

    1. Guptill hate
    2. Sodhi abuse
    3. Wagner the top order destroyer

    Can you give us any idea of what other topics we should expect to be beaten over the head repeatedly over in the forthcoming months and years? I'd like time to make adequate mental preparation.
    Yes, because it's completely unreasonable to want..

    1. A batsman who can score more than once every five innings and who doesn't entirely slow down the entire team at the start of the innings when he doesn't come off
    2. A bowler to actually have to perform domestically before getting a chance in our test unit
    3. A bowler who has performed progressively better since his debut in tests with a great domestic backstory behind him to be given a fair chance at establishing himself as our third seamer.

    Yeah, I must be completely mad to beat those drums.

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    Haha. I don't necessarily disagree with you on the topics per se, but every time I open this thread or the NZ vs. India one at the moment, the same 3 arguments are being recycled. I get your position, I think everyone gets your position on those three topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Haha. I don't necessarily disagree with you on the topics per se, but every time I open this thread or the NZ vs. India one at the moment, the same 3 arguments are being recycled. I get your position, I think everyone gets your position on those three topics.
    Generally because someone other than I tries to bring up one of the points in relationship to something else - i.e the Guptill statistics issue which seems to be used in every single piece of conversation if someone disagrees with my opinion. Fortunately a few wilting daisies have placed me on ignore, two who seem to be most likely to bring up old ground and expect the argument to go any differently.

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    no, it's because you don't understand where the topic of conversation is heading.

    I.e. "Wagner's performance is going to be critical in this series and he needs to do better than what he's done in his career, because otherwise he's a major weak link"

    and then you start talking about how good Wagner is. I.e. not the topic at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Haha. I don't necessarily disagree with you on the topics per se, but every time I open this thread or the NZ vs. India one at the moment, the same 3 arguments are being recycled. I get your position, I think everyone gets your position on those three topics.
    Good thing i don't post more cos this is pretty much me in a nutshell

    The thing I really don't like about sodhi is his action. I'm impressed he's got as far as FC level with a bowling action that maximises none of his athletic potential. He's never going to turn his leg-break consistently the way he bowls currently and it's probably too late to seriously change it. That video kipp posted of some Aussie 12 year old - now that's how you bowl a leggie. It's got the load-up, the pivot, and the rip.

    I still hope he continues to improve and build on the recent 5-for as with any young bowler. He shouldn't get extra credit and attention just because of the fact that he bowls slowly and turns the ball a certain direction though.
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