Should captains (and coaches) be on selection panels?

[pskov]

I think the captain has to have a say in the selection of the side and also to a lesser extent of touring parties too.

If, for example, the selectors impose on a captain a bowler that he just doesn't rate then that has an adverse effect on the match. The skipper then could over rely on the other bowlers that he does trust, causing them to be less effective through tiredness or get injured through overbowling.

Or another example, perhaps the captain thinks the pitch is ripe for turn and the team should play two spinners, but he gets given one spinner and three seamers. Maybe he ends up bowling a part-time offie a lot and the third seamer doesn't bowl very much anyway, so it was a wasted selection.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I've always been of the opinion that an independent panel of selectors should pick the initial squad and then the coach and captain should decide on the final eleven on game day based on the conditions, balance, morale etc.

The coach and captain should definitely have input into the initial squad selection but I don't think they should get a vote. By and large these blokes shouldn't have to go around watching domestic cricket and scouting players; that should be a specialist job.

won't the free market sort it out?

 

[Prince EWS]

won't the free market sort it out?

Look when you make posts about New Zealand's dire batting I don't reply asking you if smoking pot and playing legislative Robin Hood will sort it out, so can it.

I don't mind it when it's a reasonable comparison; it's funny then. I've had a few good laughs at Howe and Jono saying similar things when a relevant joke can actually be made out of it. That was just absolutely terrible though.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

You'd have every right to ask if I was smoking pot if I was being positive about NZ's batting tbh

 

[Howe_zat]

I've had a few good laughs at Howe

hasn't everybody

 

[kyear2]

The captain takes most of the blame for defeats and so he and the coach should have a say on the selection of the team, but only one vote each, no veto or over over riding power, just the same say as the other selectors. Also belive the coach should have as much say in the final XI as hthe captain, as the captain can make decisions that helps preserve his place and captaincy if his place or hold on power is tenuous.

 

[burr]

^, yes it becomes tricky when the captain's not performing. Was Mark Taylor a selector during his dire run in the 90s? Anyway, I came in here strongly of the opinion a captain must be a selector, but there's been some good arguments put forward and now I'm uncertain . It also depends on the country I imagine, as others have noted.

 

[watson]

It depends on how you see the role of the Captain. If you see him as a 'Manager' who is removed from the rest of the team then by all means he should sit on the selection panel and sack players as needs be.

However, if a Captain is more than 'Manager', but is instead a close friend and colleague to his fellow team mates then I don't see how he can sit on a Selection Panel, because obviously, it is it not possible to be impartial and objective when sacking a close friend.

There is also the problem of resentment when a previously sacked player is reinstated into the team. If that player feels that the Captain was directly responsible for his sacking, and is unable to put his feelings to one side as he should, then team harmony and player performance could be affected.

 

[uvelocity]

nah tubby wasn't a selector burr. i think it was removed when simpson became coach and only just recently reinstated

 

[smash84]

Captains should have overriding privileges seeing as how they're the ones who have to face the music for everything that happens on the field. They're in a far better space to make decisions since they're active cricketers familiar with the pulse of the modern game.
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awta

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Wasn't alive at the time, but my old man tells me how hilarious it was when Mike Denness dropped himself for the last Ashes Test in 1974-75.

England then won by an innings.

 

[watson]

Wasn't alive at the time, but my old man tells me how hilarious it was when Mike Denness dropped himself for the last Ashes Test in 1974-75.

England then won by an innings.

Denness scored 188 runs in England's only innings;

6th Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Feb 8-13, 1975 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[BeeGee]

The coach should be on the selection panel as an ordinary panelist (not convener/chairman). The captain should not.

The captain shouldn't be on the panel because the panel have the power to not select him. Also, as others have stated, it could cause issues with players being able to speak freely and openly with their captain.

The coach needs to be on the panel because he has a deeper understanding of how different personalities would work in the squad environment. Also, if he wants to pursue an unusual tactic (spin heavy attack, play a batsman who can keep rather than a specialist keeper, etc.) he needs to be able to convey his personnel requirements without fear of the panel ignoring his request and going behind his back.

 

[uvelocity]

The captain shouldn't be on the panel because the panel have the power to not select him. Also, as others have stated, it could cause issues with players being able to speak freely and openly with their captain.

that's why it's a panel, and not a dictatorship. if the consensus is he should be dropped, even his vote could be overridden by the majority. commonly in these kinds of situations where there is a conflict of interest though a vote would be taken and he'd be excluded from said vote.

 

[BeeGee]

that's why it's a panel, and not a dictatorship. if the consensus is he should be dropped, even his vote could be overridden by the majority. commonly in these kinds of situations where there is a conflict of interest though a vote would be taken and he'd be excluded from said vote.

So the majority vote the captain out of the team. But since he's no longer captain he's no longer a selector either and suddenly the panel is down a member. So do they vote him out at the start of the selection process or at the end? And when is the new captain informed he's now a selector and needs to go join the panel. It's just a crazy situation.

 

[uvelocity]

well lets take the case of tubby taylor when he was purely in the side as a captain. assume he was also a selector at that point (he was not)

say it was the selections for a new series, at the beginning there'd be a suggestion from one of the other selectors that there was a lack of confidence in him and that it should be voted that he would be dropped and therefore not the captain or selector. vote passes, he gets assholed see ya later. new captain would be selected and either team selections delayed, or in the case it's not possible, selected with the existing panel minus the captain. sure it's down a member, but no different to not having him in the first place.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Denness scored 188 runs in England's only innings;

6th Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Feb 8-13, 1975 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

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