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    Could promotion-relegation work between Division 2 and the Minor Counties Champions?

    Given that the introduction of two divisions, promotion and relegation, has largely been a good thing in the county game, could the principle be extended to the bottom side in Division Two and whoever wins the Minor Counties Championship?

    Appreciate the gap between the two leagues is pretty significant, but would incentivising the Minors increase interest/media coverage and help to bridge that gap?

    It would effectively become a cricket equivalent of the Conference in football.

    Automatic promotion/relegation took decades to be brought in and the old re-election system was pretty corrupt. Couldn't imagine league football without it now...

    Thought appreciated - thanks.

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    The thing with county cricket is that, unlike football, the best players aren't all congested into the top teams. Even as it stands you can quite easily end up with a situation whereby the best player in county cricket, looking to force his way into the England side, ends up playing Division 2. That's far from ideal within itself without adding the possibility of such a player playing minor counties cricket which doesn't even have First Class status. He'd just move counties and you'd lose a lot of the continuity that makes county cricket easy to follow.

    Beyond that, I'm not sure if a lot of minor counties would actually have the funds of the infrastructure to field a Division 2 side; most of them would probably decline the invitation.

    I really like the English football pyramid, but I don't think it's work in cricket. There's too much of an obvious gap between First Class cricket and minor counties stuff.
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    No.

    The minor counties simply couldn't afford to play in the championship and the majority of players who play minor county cricket wouldn't be available for a promoted side as they have jobs etc...

    You'd end up with the squad that got relegated basically transferring to the promoted side to fill the squad up and do it as cheap as possible.

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    Yeah, I have to admit to not knowing how the minor counties work, but I imagine they only play on weekends? Them getting promoted wouldn't make them good enough to become professional cricketers.


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    The promoted side would benefit massively from the central money that is distributed to the first class sides, and afford for existing players to go full-time, or recruit professional players from other counties.

    Perhaps a parachute payment, similar to that in football, could soften the blow for whoever is relegated.

    Moreover, the fact that winning it would actually mean something creates media interest in the competition and therefore additional revenue, which would bridge that gap somewhat.

    Over the 25 years since automatic promotion from the Conference was brought in, it has moved from being an entirely part-time league (promoted sides then go professional) to an almost entirely professional one.

    The substantial difference is we don't have a huge history of Minor Counties sides scoring upsets in the Natwest Trophy, a la the FA Cup in football.

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    Where would the money for these parachute payments come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Where would the money for these parachute payments come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Yeah, I have to admit to not knowing how the minor counties work, but I imagine they only play on weekends? Them getting promoted wouldn't make them good enough to become professional cricketers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Where would the money for these parachute payments come from?
    How much are we looking at, a few hundred thousand out of a pot of several million?

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    Well, you tell me, it's your idea.

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    Ok - worst case the money would come by paying a couple of percent less to the 18 counties from the central pot. Parachute payment would basically be 50% of whatever is paid to sides in Division Two.

    The three Leagues would be re-named as the Premiership, Championship and Conference, but negotiations remaining collective.

    Aim would be that additional revenue could be raised to boost Conference prize money and close the (currently large) gap between the leagues.

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    Unless we're planning a revamped T20 league or flogging the England Test side into the ground, how exactly do you propose raising revenue? The First Class game in this country is completely unviable financially without being subsidised, diluting the money available to the counties, and the standard of the competition, is pointless.

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    It's all very well speaking about raising additional revenue, but you're still not giving any example of how this could be achieved. You can't just pluck "additional revenue" out of thin air. I'd quite like to buy a house, but I very much doubt my bank would be particularly impressed if I walked in and proposed that I would pay for the mortgage out of "additional revenue" that I would later bring in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    It's all very well speaking about raising additional revenue, but you're still not giving any example of how this could be achieved. You can't just pluck "additional revenue" out of thin air. I'd quite like to buy a house, but I very much doubt my bank would be particularly impressed if I walked in and proposed that I would pay for the mortgage out of "additional revenue" that I would later bring in.


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