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    Streak and Strang are good enough to bat at 8 and 9 so its not as important to select a player like Blignaut, but I suppose the question of a 3rd seamer vs 2nd spinner will impact on Whittal's chances of being selected. I know Heath likes Johnson, I rate Sean Ervine highly, although his Test career has been brief.
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    Campbell for the batting slot and Streak must be the first bowler on the list

    As to the second on the strength of the man I saw in county cricket I'd go for Johnson

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    Kevin Arnott. Never heard of him but he can't be worse than the others who I have heard of and are awful. So take a punt on the devil you don't know.

    Opening Bowlers. Heath Streak and Peter Rawson. The latter a member of the 1983 upset team iirc. Anyway its his birthday today and he was a good bowler who never got much of a chance.

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    Grant Flower

    Heath Streak & Kyle Jarvis
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    Flower, G as the opener.

    Streak & Pommie as the bowlers.
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    Streak and Pommie to bowl, though I think if we could extend the requirement to "representative" cricket then Rawson would be a shout.

    Grant Flower as opener. Arnott was unlucky test cricket didn't arrive 5 years earlier - he averaged near 40 against the various international and youth teams that Zimbabwe played in the run-up to test admission.

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    Flower, Streak and Jarvis

    Tempted by Arnott, but to be honest about it he probably would not have maintained that average if he had played a lot of tests. Grant had a very long decline as we all know, but for a few years he was a genuine test-class opener.

    Streak picks himself, and I back Jarvis to surpass every other Zimbabwean fast bowler. Rawson was good, but we don't know how he would have gone in tests. Is it possible to pick him as a third seamer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubb View Post
    Flower, Streak and Jarvis

    Tempted by Arnott, but to be honest about it he probably would not have maintained that average if he had played a lot of tests. Grant had a very long decline as we all know, but for a few years he was a genuine test-class opener.

    Streak picks himself, and I back Jarvis to surpass every other Zimbabwean fast bowler. Rawson was good, but we don't know how he would have gone in tests. Is it possible to pick him as a third seamer?
    You can pick whoever you like. I prefer to judge at least primarily based on Tests for Zimbabwe which rules Rawson out for me (otherwise I'd be considering Hick as well) but you don't have to go by my criteria. You'll have an opportunity to pick a third seamer later, although I imagine you might end up voting for Price instead of one during that round (assuming the forum picks Strang as the main spinner).
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    I really rated Brandes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    You can pick whoever you like. I prefer to judge at least primarily based on Tests for Zimbabwe which rules Rawson out for me (otherwise I'd be considering Hick as well) but you don't have to go by my criteria. You'll have an opportunity to pick a third seamer later, although I imagine you might end up voting for Price instead of one during that round (assuming the forum picks Strang as the main spinner).
    Jarvis has only played against Windies and Bang though. Not enough of a test. Rawson could very likely have been better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Jarvis has only played against Windies and Bang though.
    Which is why I voted for Brain.

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    I'm surprised I'm the only one picking Brandes. He had something about him. Bowled a heavy ball, moved it away from the bat. IMO, more deserving than the rest of the names.

    Jarvis looks like a talented club cricketer, Mbangwa was a terrible international bowler - basically Mark Butcher without the batting, and Olonga charged in hard all day to bowl gun barrel straight at 130 kph.

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    I'm agreed with you - Brandes was a quality bowler and another for whom Test Cricket came just a tad too late.

    Mbangwa was miserly accurate but not much more than that. Throw in that he competes with Chris Martin for the title of worst test batsman of the last 25 years and his inclusion in this team is difficult to build a case for IMO.

    Olonga was very similar to Devon Malcolm - lethal on his day, just that day didn't come along that often.

    Depending on the balance of the side, my bowlers would come from:-

    Automatic picks - Streak, Brandes
    Then any two from - Brain, Blignaut, P Strang, Price

    Batsmen - G Flower, Whittall, Campbell, Goodwin, Houghton, A Flower

    All-rounder - Johnson

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    My list from 2007

    1. G Flower
    2. A Campbell (c)
    3. M Goodwin
    4. D Houghton
    5. A Flower (wk)
    6. G Whitall
    7. H Streak
    8. P Strang
    9. A Blignaut
    10. R Price
    11. H Olonga

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    Results

    Heath Streak 17
    Kyle Jarvis 8

    Pommie Mbangwa 3
    David Brain 2
    Eddo Brandes 2
    Neil Johnson 1
    Peter Rawson 1

    Grant Flower 13
    Alistair Campbell 2
    Kevil Arnott 1

    Team so far

    1. Grant Flower
    2.
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    8. Heath Streak (o)
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    11. Kyle Jarvis (o)

    Next up you are to select THREE middle order batsmen and ONE spinner.

    Don't worry about wicket keeping or bowling when selecting the middle order bats; we'll vote on some balance options later. The aim at the moment is just to fill the 3-5 spots with the best middle order bats adjudged by CW.

    Middle order suggestions:

    Code:
    PLAYER			TEST CAREER	BATTING 3-6
    
    Andy Flower		4794r @ 51.54	4646r @ 51.05
    Dave Houghton		1464r @ 43.05	1464r @ 43.05
    Murray Goodwin		1414r @ 42.84	1414r @ 42.84
    Tatenda Taibu		1546r @ 30.31	1115r @ 34.84
    Sean Ervine		261r @ 32.62	202r @ 33.66
    Guy Whittall		2207r @ 29.42	1277r @ 33.60
    Brendan Taylor		1182r @ 34.76	994r @ 31.06
    Neil Johnson		532r @ 24.18	514r @ 30.23
    Stuart Carlisle		1615r @ 26.91	1135r @ 27.68
    Alastair Campbell	2858r @ 27.21	2453r @ 26.37
    Spin bowler suggestions:

    Code:
    PLAYER			TEST CAREER
    
    Adam Huckle		25w @ 34.88
    Paul Strang		70w @ 36.02
    Ray Price		80w @ 36.06
    John Traicos		14w @ 40.14
    Graeme Cremer		24w @ 45.62
    Brian Murphy		18w @ 61.83
    Last edited by Prince EWS; 27-05-2013 at 04:49 AM.

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