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    I'm impressed with Jarvis. I haven't ever been too impressed with any of the other bowlers except maybe Olonga. Brain wasn't my cup of tea, way too slow to trouble anyone consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Man alive, does the phrase All-Time Test XI sound oxymoronic here or what?!

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    I think we should really consider putting both Neil Johnson and Andy Blignaut in this side, especially Blignaut, considering the quality of the specialist talents available
    The middle order stocks are much better with Goodwin, Andy Flower, Houghton and Taylor to choose from; it's why I think we might end up with Whittall opening as the allrounder to fit all those guys in. Someone like Blignaut could end up being the first change bowler though.
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    If you decide to give the gloves to someone in the middle order (since Flower, Taylor and Houghton can all do it), you leave the #7 slot open to an all-rounder.

    I'd be picking Whittall/Taibu at 2 and 7 respectively though - stronger team overall and lets the batsmen bat without needing to worry about 'keeping as well. Plus Tatenda probably isn't far off justifying a spot as a batsman anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    If you decide to give the gloves to someone in the middle order (since Flower, Taylor and Houghton can all do it), you leave the #7 slot open to an all-rounder.

    I'd be picking Whittall/Taibu at 2 and 7 respectively though - stronger team overall and lets the batsmen bat without needing to worry about 'keeping as well. Plus Tatenda probably isn't far off justifying a spot as a batsman anyway.
    Yeah, completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    If you decide to give the gloves to someone in the middle order (since Flower, Taylor and Houghton can all do it), you leave the #7 slot open to an all-rounder.

    I'd be picking Whittall/Taibu at 2 and 7 respectively though - stronger team overall and lets the batsmen bat without needing to worry about 'keeping as well. Plus Tatenda probably isn't far off justifying a spot as a batsman anyway.
    Yeah I'm thinking something like

    Flower
    Whittall
    Goodwin
    Houghton
    Flower
    Taylor
    Taibu

    should be the top 7, though there is the option of Whittall down the order and Goodwin opening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Yeah I'm thinking something like

    Flower
    Whittall
    Goodwin
    Houghton
    Flower
    Taylor
    Taibu

    should be the top 7, though there is the option of Whittall down the order and Goodwin opening.
    I think Whittall opening makes a lot more sense than Goodwin opening; Goodwin never actually opened for Zimbabwe in Tests to my knowledge. Whittall didn't do it a lot, but he was quite successful on the handful of occasions he did do it, outperforming his Test average and scoring a Test century there. Furthermore, none of Flower/Houghton/Taylor have any record to speak of at 3 anyway.

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    I think it was a good move just selecting the one opener, but I think Whittall would be lucky to hold onto an opening spotin a Zim all time XI, as I don't think he is one of the six best batsman to have played for them. I understand the reasoning behind it though, as it allows us to field Zim's two best spin bowlers.

    I kind of envisaged that he'd make a decent squad member in that 12th or 13th spot that kyear puts in each time, but the voting will decide in the end.
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    Flower, Streak, Jarvis.

    Personally think that Jarvis will be a better bowler than Brain. Risky selection though, really.

    And I can tell you now for nothing that I'll be voting for Johnson in the middle order. His stats don't do him anywhere near justice. 2nd best middle order bat for Zimbabwe after Houghton (and Andy Flower if you want him to just bat, perhaps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I think Whittall opening makes a lot more sense than Goodwin opening; Goodwin never actually opened for Zimbabwe in Tests to my knowledge. Whittall didn't do it a lot, but he was quite successful on the handful of occasions he did do it, outperforming his Test average and scoring a Test century there. Furthermore, none of Flower/Houghton/Taylor have any record to speak of at 3 anyway.
    Whittall's number of test opening is even less than the number Johnson played. Insufficient sample size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Whittall's number of test opening is even less than the number Johnson played. Insufficient sample size.
    Of those who have scored a Test ton opening the batting for Zimbabwe, Whittall opened the third most amount of times after Flower and Gripper. And as much as I'd love to pick Gripper, it'd be a bit silly.

    Incidentally he's opened the batting in more innings than Jarvis has opened the bowling (and in fact only one less innings than what Jarvis has bowled in at all).

    There are a couple of spots in this side that don't have many options, so we're going to have to be liberal with the sample size dramas. If I pick Whittall as my second opener (which I will), then it'll be based primarily on what he did as a batsman overall, taking note of the fact that he did very well in his short stint as an opener and of course gives the side as a fifth bowling option, allowing a specialist batsman at six and Taibu to keep at seven.

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    Yeah, with Jarvis, it's not like there's any other options with vastly more experience (other than Streak).

    I'd still rather pick Johnson than Whittall as to my mind, Johnson was the superior player (despite the records).

    Let's not forget that Johnson has the better first class record and plied his trade outside of Zimbabwe (in RSA and Eng) - averaging 38 for Hants, 63 for Leics, 42 for Western Province and a disappointing 30 for Natal.

    The point being that for two players who offer very similar balance options, Johnson is the better player - and unfortunately for him and seemingly this exercise - he didn't deliver to his overall record when playing Tests.

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    How about something like this:

    G Flower
    Campbell
    Goodwin
    Houghton (w)
    A Flower
    Taylor
    Johnson
    Blignaut
    Streak
    Strang
    Jarvis (it seems)

    I think we need every bit of incremental batting prowess possible here, and thus Campbell gets it over Whittall. Anyway, who would be bothered be Whittal in an All Time Teams scenario anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    How about something like this:

    G Flower
    Campbell
    Goodwin
    Houghton (w)
    A Flower
    Taylor
    Johnson
    Blignaut
    Streak
    Strang
    Jarvis (it seems)
    +1.

    Although, I'd think there should be room for Fletcher or Price.

    As an aside, I didn't realise until just now that Gary Ballance is related to Dave Houghton. Interesting.

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