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    CW All Time Country XI Discussion Thread

    Cricketweb Australia All Time XI
    Victor Trumper
    Arthur Morris
    Sir Donald Bradman *
    Greg Chappell
    Allan Border
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist +
    Shane Warne
    Denis Lillee
    Bill O'Reilly
    Glenn McGrath

    Ricky Ponting
    Allan Davidson

    Cricketweb West Indies All Time XI
    Gordon Greenidge
    Sir Conrad Hunte
    George Headley *
    Sir I.V.A. Richards
    Brian Lara
    Sir Garfield Sobers
    Sir Clyde Walcott +
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Curtly Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Frank Worrell
    Lance Gibbs

    Cricketweb England All Time XI
    Sir Jack Hobbs
    Sir Len Hutton *
    Wally Hammond
    Ken Barrington
    Denis Compton
    Sir Ian Botham
    Allan Knott +
    Jim Laker
    Harold Larwood
    Fred Trueman
    Syd Barnes

    Hedley Verity
    Kevin Pietersen

    Cricketweb South Africa All Time XI
    Barry Richards
    Graeme Smith *
    Jacques Kallis
    Graeme Pollock
    Dudley Nourse
    Aubrey Faulkner
    Mike Procter
    John Waite +
    Dale Steyn
    Hugh Tayfield
    Allan Donald

    Shaun Pollock
    Herbie Taylor

    Cricketweb Pakistan All Time XI
    Hanif Mohammad
    Saeed Anwar
    Younis Khan
    Javed Miandad
    Inzamam-ul-Haq
    Mushtaq Mohammad
    Imran Khan *
    Rashid Latif +
    Wasim Akram
    Fazal Mahmood
    Waqar Younis

    Mohammad Yousuf
    Saqlain Mushtaq

    Cricketweb India All Time XI
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Vijay Merchant
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Vijay Hazare
    Vinoo Mankad
    Farokh Engineer
    Kapil Dev
    Anil Kumble
    Javagal Srinath
    Erapalli Prasanna

    Mohammad Azharuddin
    Amar Singh

    Cricketweb Sri Lankan All Time XI
    Marvan Atapattu
    Sanath Jayasuriya
    Kumar Sangakkara
    Aravinda de Silva
    Mahela Jayawardene *
    Thilan Samaraweera
    Prasanna Jayawardene +
    Chaminda Vaas
    Lasith Malinga
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Rangana Herath

    Arjuna Ranatunga
    Ashantha de Mel

    Cricketweb New Zealand All Time XI
    Glenn Turner
    Stewie Dempster
    Bert Sutcliffe
    Martin Crowe
    Martin Donnelly
    Brendon McCullum +
    John R. Reid
    Chris Cairns
    Sir Richard Hadlee
    Shane Bond
    Jack Cowie

    Stephen Fleming
    Hedley Howarth
    Last edited by kyear2; 24-05-2013 at 03:15 AM.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    No spinner in the NZ is pretty interesting.
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    What year did we pick the CW India XI?
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    I'd have Lindwall in that Australian XI over Davidson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    What year did we pick the CW India XI?
    This year.

    Obviously all teams have some slight differences from my personal ones, but all in all, great teams for each country.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Cricketweb New Zealand All Time XI
    Glenn Turner
    Stewie Dempster
    Bert Sutcliffe
    Martin Crowe
    Martin Donnelley
    Brendon McCullum +
    John R. Reid
    Chris Cairns
    Richard Hadlee
    Shane Bond
    Jack Cowie

    Stephen Fleming
    Hedley Howarth
    To quibble:
    *Martin Donnelly
    *Sir Richard Hadlee

    ... and wicketkeeping McCullum circa 2008 or so should be batting below Reid and Cairns (those players seem to be in a different order every time you publish this list ).

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    Think we did a good job with all of the teams. In a competition though I think that there would be a clear cut top four. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Think we did a good job with all of the teams. In a competition though I think that there would be a clear cut top four. Thoughts?
    Yes, the first 4 teams to enter test cricket still remain the strongest. The saddest thing for me though, is that every team has at least two players within the XI that have played cricket since 2000 (Ambrose just scrapes in). Except England, which only has Botham, who, tbh didn't play well since the early 80's, and the perennially overrated Pieterson in the 13. Would be some excellent matches between those 4 teams though, and any of the others would be very capable of an upset.

    Best
    Batting: Australia
    Bowling: Australia
    Fielding: Australia
    Overall: Australia

    Worst
    Batting: New Zealand
    Bowling: India
    Fielding: Pakistan
    Overall: Toughie, not sure on this one.

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    I actually think that 1-7 that the W.I. actually have the better batting side and also have the best fielding side. Batting wise the Windies have arguably 4 of the top 6 middle order batsmen ever in the middle order, thats awful strong. Australia does have the best bowling, especially if one factors in variety, but it's negligable compared to W.I., South Africa and Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    I actually think that 1-7 that the W.I. actually have the better batting side and also have the best fielding side. Batting wise the Windies have arguably 4 of the top 6 middle order batsmen ever in the middle order, thats awful strong. Australia does have the best bowling, especially if one factors in variety, but it's negligable compared to W.I., South Africa and Pakistan.
    They're very close in batting and fielding, maybe I'm just nationally biased :P Would beat the WI though, with Warne and O'Reilly. Bradman edged the batting for me, and I find I'm rating Richards lower than I used to. Bradman, Chappell, Border, Miller, Gilchrist and Warne are all outstanding fielders.
    Last edited by Coronis; 24-05-2013 at 04:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    This year.

    Obviously all teams have some slight differences from my personal ones, but all in all, great teams for each country.
    Really? The standard of CW has clearly dropped since I stopped posting so much.

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    Sir Jack Hobbs
    Sir Len Hutton *
    Wally Hammond
    Ken Barrington
    Denis Compton
    Peter May
    Sir Ian Botham
    Allan Knott +
    Harold Larwood/George Lohmann
    Fred Trueman
    Syd Barnes


    I'd leave Laker out of the English side and include an extra batsman. I think Botham can take the role of third seamer comfortably and having him batting at 7 seems better than 6 in this context. Apparently Barnes could bowl seam up and spin, so he covers that element. I'd possibly trade Larwood for Lohmann.

    With that change made, I think that it's an even money comp between WIs, Australia, SA and England for me.

    FWIW I don't rate the WI's pace bowling any higher than I rate Australia's pace bowling or SA's pace bowling. Assuming these teams would face the opposition on a variety of wickets, I'd expect the WI's to struggle overall on spinning decks, but break even on pacey wickets.

    Australia have two distinct advantages. One is being able to play Miller at 5, as he is cushioned by Bradman and Gilchrist's high averages at 3 and 7. This allows the other advantage, which is playing two high class spinners without compromising a three prong pace attack. On the whole the Australian team is a better balanced combination imo. I might be biased here, but I think it is. I'd back them to beat the others comfortably over a long series against any of the other teams, played on a variety of wickets.
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    I actually believe that a Australian team of
    Trumper
    Morris
    Bradman
    Chappell
    Ponting
    Border
    Gilchrist
    Miller
    Warne
    Lillee
    Mcgrath
    would be a better option as the two spinners is a bit of over kill and hasn'nt been proven effectiive outside of the sub continent since the advent of covered pitches and Miller in the top 6 in an ATG context is a liability.

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    top 4 imo:

    Oz
    WI
    Eng
    RSA

    Oz for obvious reasons but I dont think they would "easily' beat certain teams. For example, in India I expect the 2 leg spinners to be slaughtered and of the remaining bowlers only Mcgrath has ne experience or track record in India. Infact, I think most of the world X1s would be difficult to beat in home conditions. I think its how the teams hypothetically would perform on the road is what matters. And with possible exception of maybe winning in India and the WI, Oz does seem to have the team best equipped to handle most away conditions.
    Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    I actually believe that a Australian team of
    Trumper
    Morris
    Bradman
    Chappell
    Ponting
    Border
    Gilchrist
    Miller
    Warne
    Lillee
    Mcgrath

    would be a better option as the two spinners is a bit of over kill and hasn'nt been proven effectiive outside of the sub continent since the advent of covered pitches and Miller in the top 6 in an ATG context is a liability.
    I reckon part of picking an ATG team is expecting them to play in all conditions in all eras, not just on modern covered wickets. So having O'Reilly and Warne bowling on a sticky or whatever in the olden days is an intimidating thought.

    I agree with your team if the venue was the WACA in the 80s, I'd make two changes though.

    Trumper - Morris - Bradman - Chappell - Ponting - Harvey - Gilchrist - Lindwall - Warne- Lillee - McGrath

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