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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Yeah, separating #3 and the middle order is a cheat. I'm not having any of that. Lump them together and pick one country.
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    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton

    George Headley
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers

    Adam Gilchrist
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne
    Curtly Ambrose
    Michael Holding


    No way Bradman, Chappell, Border, Miller is a better unit than Headley, Richards, Lara, Sobers. The W.I lineup has four of the top seven batsmen of All Time IMHO, better as a unit overall. Was separating them as Benaud when he was selecting his team had them separated as openers, no. 3, middle order and all rounder. But this was is fine as well.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Australian middle order is far stronger with Don being twice the batsman Lara is and I will take their fast bowling unit over WI for the variety it offers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    I think that the more countries represented the merrier; and therefore suggest the following make-up as the strongest;

    a. English Top-Order
    b. West Indian Middle-Order
    c. South African Keeper
    d. Australian Quicks
    e. Sri Lankan Spinner

    Which gives;

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Len Hutton
    03. Walter Hammond
    04. Brian Lara
    05. Viv Richards
    06. Garry Sobers
    07. John Waite
    08. Ray Lindwall
    09. Dennis Lillee
    10. Murali
    11. Glenn McGrath

    Hobbs and Hutton are significantly stronger than Morris and Trumper, and Lara-Richards-Sobers cannot be ignored. I think that there is enough compensation in those 5 batsman for the absence of Bradman. Plus Hammond was no fool with the bat + ball and is worth a place.
    This one isn't bad at all. Better cordon than mine as well. Still prefer Headley as a No. 3 over Hammond though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    Australian middle order is far stronger with Don being twice the batsman Lara is and I will take their fast bowling unit over WI for the variety it offers.
    No one is twice the batsman Lara is, but you are entitled to you opnion. Also it's more of a direct comparrison btwn Bradman and Headley, and he wasn't twice the batsman George was either.

    As far as the fast bowlers go, nothing really to choose between Marshall and Ambrose and Mcgrath and Lillee, I rate them Marshall, McGrath, Ambrose and Lillee as my top four over all, so perhaps a sligh edge for the Windies, but Holding is for me clearly superior to Miller and has a slight edge over Lindwall if that option is preferred. Don't quite understand the variety comment.


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    I think he confused overall bowling attack with fast bowling attack, in which case WI has a distinct advantage. U have the swing bowler can bowl nething ne where best of the best MM, then the metronome can take it to another level and nasty at times Ambrose. The super fast, super smooth quite effective on the deadest of wickets Michael Holding and last but certainly not least the highly underrated watch ur toes, most difficult to hit Joel Garner.
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    Confused? Nah. McGrath and Lillee are arguably the greatest bowlers of all time and Davidson was the best left armer. Then you have Miller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    Confused? Nah. McGrath and Lillee are arguably the greatest bowlers of all time and Davidson was the best left armer. Then you have Miller.
    Davidson should definitely be in there imo. Always seems to be underrated in these types of discussions though.
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    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    But the team selected has Miller as the third quick, so the contest of the best pace attack for this exercise would be between

    Marshall, Ambrose, Holding
    McGrath, Lillee, Miller
    Imran, Akram, Waqar
    Steyn, Donald, Proctor
    Trueman, Larwood, Barnes

    Even if Davidson replaces Miller, I personally still rate Holding over him. Holding in the '70's was basically the equal of Lillee and also proved himself on the deadest pitches in India and then there was his performance at the oval. He was quite simply brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Davidson should definitely be in there imo. Always seems to be underrated in these types of discussions though.
    As I have been saying of late, Australia would be better served with this squad, a final XI of

    Trumper
    Morris
    Bradman
    Chappell
    Ponting
    Border
    Gilchrist
    Davidson
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    Don't see the need for the two spinners, while at the same time weakening the batting order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    No Problem

    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton

    George Headley
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers

    Adam Gilchrist
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne
    Curtly Ambrose
    Michael Holding


    No way Bradman, Chappell, Border, Miller is a better unit than Headley, Richards, Lara, Sobers. The W.I lineup has four of the top seven batsmen of All Time IMHO, better as a unit overall. Was separating them as Benaud when he was selecting his team had them separated as openers, no. 3, middle order and all rounder. But this was is fine as well.
    Nope. You've already picked Sobers as the all-rounder at no.6 so his batting superiority over Miller or anyone else is utterly irrelevant to the selection of the 3-4-5 middle-order block. The actual comparison is Bradman-Chappell-Border vs Headley-Richards-Lara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akilana View Post
    Confused? Nah. McGrath and Lillee are arguably the greatest bowlers of all time and Davidson was the best left armer. Then you have Miller.

    Unless Im mistaken, Davidson didnt get picked for ne of the all time Oz elevens so mentioning him is mute. Had he been selected (which Ive always maintained he should) then u might have a point. Nevertheless man to man

    MM vs Lillee = MM
    Ambrose vs Mcgrath = Mcgrath
    Holding vs Davidson= Holding
    GArner vs Miller = Garner

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Yeah, separating #3 and the middle order is a cheat. I'm not having any of that. Lump them together and pick one country.
    FWIW there is no problem with having # 3 as a separate position in my opinion. It's a specialist spot as far as I'm concerned.

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    The batting order is colloquially subdivided into:[citation needed]

    opening batsmen or openers (the two batsmen who start, or open, the innings)
    upper or top order (batsmen at positions three and four in the order)
    middle order (batsmen five to seven)
    lower order or tail (batsmen eight to eleven)
    It's from wiki and mind the info might not be very reliable but it solves no.3/6 issue somewhat

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Len Hutton

    3. Don Bradman
    4. Greg Chappell

    5. Brian Lara
    6. Garry Sobers

    Since we are including a keeper at no.7, maybe it's possible to divert and bring in a different nationality player at this spot and then the lower order/ tail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    FWIW there is no problem with having # 3 as a separate position in my opinion. It's a specialist spot as far as I'm concerned.
    You're all crazy! I can understand combining #3 with the openers instead of with the middle order, but there's no way it's a separate entity to both the openers and the middle order. It's not that specialised a position as people try to make it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyZaltzHair View Post
    It's from wiki and mind the info might not be very reliable but it solves no.3/6 issue somewhat

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Len Hutton

    3. Don Bradman
    4. Greg Chappell

    5. Brian Lara
    6. Garry Sobers

    Since we are including a keeper at no.7, maybe it's possible to divert and bring in a different nationality player at this spot and then the lower order/ tail
    Yes fair enough. So which country gives the best pace attack - South Africa or Pakistan? (Assuming that Australia and the West Indies are now banned because they already contributed batsman)

    Donald
    Procter
    Steyn

    (Bari or Kirmani or Engineer become the possible Keepers)

    OR

    Imran
    Waqar
    Wasim

    (Waite or Kirmani or Engineer or Lindsay become the possible Keepers)

    And Murali is the obvious spinner.

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