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    Quote Originally Posted by Slifer View Post
    Highly unlikely and especially so in the WI for reasons i stated earlier in this topic. Alan Davidson is the bowler I'd b most concerned about (had he been selected tbh). Two leggies bowling to Sobers and Lara with the ball spinning in( for example) is a recipe for disaster.
    What I was thinking as well. Headley also played spin bowling really well. Scored hundreds againts Verity, Grimmett, Ironmonger and Rhodes (though not at his best).
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    You'd be inclined to think that abt Rhodes, based purely on his age, but he was still bloody decent even then. He won an ashes just 3 yrs before and bowled with remarkable economy on those true West Indian pitches. Rhodes also bowled well to Bradman on his incredible 1930 tour.

    Hutton tells a story of facing him in the nets when he was in his late 50s. He called the experience a revelation as no bowler, before or since, had caused to misjudge the length of the ball as often as Rhodes. Rhodes definately had periods in his career when he let his bowling suffered and I'm guessing these periods coincided when concentrated on his batting. By this late stage in his career he was back to being a bowler and a particularly hard one to face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    You'd be inclined to think that abt Rhodes, based purely on his age, but he was still bloody decent even then. He won an ashes just 3 yrs before and bowled with remarkable economy on those true West Indian pitches. Rhodes also bowled well to Bradman on his incredible 1930 tour.

    Hutton tells a story of facing him in the nets when he was in his late 50s. He called the experience a revelation as no bowler, before or since, had caused to misjudge the length of the ball as often as Rhodes. Rhodes definately had periods in his career when he let his bowling suffered and I'm guessing these periods coincided when concentrated on his batting. By this late stage in his career he was back to being a bowler and a particularly hard one to face.
    Enhances Atlas's reputation even more. Even with what relatively small amount of footage one see's of him, he was a damm good batsman. Equal to Sobers, Richards and Lara IMHO.

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    A composite team made up of the best unit from each country I imagine would look something like

    Openers: England
    First Drop: Australia
    Middle Order: West Indies
    All Rounder: West Indies
    Keeper: Australia
    Fast Bowlers: West Indies
    Spinner: Australia

    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne
    Curtly Ambrose
    Michael Holding
    Last edited by kyear2; 15-06-2013 at 08:08 PM.


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    Thought #3 was generally considered part of the middle order. Guess you just wanted Viv and Lara in there though :P Not much between Richards/Lara and Chappell/Border imo.
    Last edited by Coronis; 15-06-2013 at 10:22 PM.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Yeah, separating #3 and the middle order is a cheat. I'm not having any of that. Lump them together and pick one country.
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    But then how else is he meant to get more West Indians in there?
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Yeah, separating #3 and the middle order is a cheat. I'm not having any of that. Lump them together and pick one country.
    OK then, which is the stronger 'middle-order'?

    03. Don Bradman
    04. Greg Chappell
    05. Allan Border
    06. Keith Miller


    OR

    03. George Headley
    04. Brian Lara
    05. Viv Richards
    06. Gary Sobers


    On the other-hand we could also use the category of 'Top-Order' and also ask which is the stronger?

    01. Arthur Morris
    02. Victor Trumper
    03. Don Bradman


    OR

    01. Gordon Greenidge
    02. Conrad Hunte
    03. George Headley


    We could then have;

    04. Greg Chappell
    05. Allan Border
    06. Keith Miller


    OR

    04. Brian Lara
    05. Viv Richards
    06. Garry Sobers


    But to be honest, I think that an English 'Top-Order' and a West Indian 'Middle-Order' gives the strongest Combination overall;

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Len Hutton
    03. Walter Hammond
    04. Brian Lara
    05. Viv Richards
    06. Garry Sobers
    Last edited by watson; 16-06-2013 at 12:31 AM.
    Len Hutton - Jack Hobbs - Ted Dexter - Peter May - Walter Hammond - Frank Woolley - Ian Botham - Alan Knott - Hedley Verity - John Snow - Fred Trueman

    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    IMO,

    English Openers
    Australian Middle Order

    OR

    Australian Top Order
    West Indies/Australian Middle Order, depending on Sobers vs Miller.

    Bradman makes whichever group he's in non-negotiable, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    IMO,

    English Openers
    Australian Middle Order

    OR

    Australian Top Order
    West Indies/Australian Middle Order, depending on Sobers vs Miller.

    Bradman makes whichever group he's in non-negotiable, IMO.
    I think that the more countries represented the merrier; and therefore suggest the following make-up as the strongest;

    a. English Top-Order
    b. West Indian Middle-Order
    c. South African Keeper
    d. Australian Quicks
    e. Sri Lankan Spinner

    Which gives;

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Len Hutton
    03. Walter Hammond
    04. Brian Lara
    05. Viv Richards
    06. Garry Sobers
    07. John Waite
    08. Ray Lindwall
    09. Dennis Lillee
    10. Murali
    11. Glenn McGrath

    Hobbs and Hutton are significantly stronger than Morris and Trumper, and Lara-Richards-Sobers cannot be ignored. I think that there is enough compensation in those 5 batsman for the absence of Bradman. Plus Hammond was no fool with the bat + ball and is worth a place.
    Last edited by watson; 16-06-2013 at 12:50 AM.

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    If you want all different countries, class Proctor as a fast bowler and have:

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Lara
    Richards
    Sobers
    Gilchrist
    Proctor
    Steyn
    Muralitharan
    Donald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    If you want all different countries, class Proctor as a fast bowler and have:

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Lara
    Richards
    Sobers
    Gilchrist
    Proctor
    Steyn
    Muralitharan
    Donald
    Still prefer Lillee-McGrath-Lindwall over Donald-Procter-Steyn

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    One player from each country (plus Bradman)

    1. Hobbs
    2. Gavaskar
    3. Bradman
    4. Kallis
    5. Flower
    6. Sobers
    7. Gilchrist
    8. Imran
    9. Shakib
    10. Hadlee
    11. Muralitharan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    One player from each country (plus Bradman)

    1. Hobbs
    2. Gavaskar
    3. Bradman
    4. Kallis
    5. Flower
    6. Sobers
    7. Gilchrist
    8. Imran
    9. Shakib
    10. Hadlee
    11. Muralitharan
    Pretty damn good team.

    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Still prefer Lillee-McGrath-Lindwall over Donald-Procter-Steyn
    Think Gilly offers so much more than Waite. Plus, Proctor and Steyn are right up there, for me at least, amongst top fast bowlers. Proctor adds quite a bit with the batting depth too.
    Last edited by Coronis; 16-06-2013 at 02:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Pretty damn good team.



    Think Gilly offers so much more than Waite. Plus, Proctor and Steyn are right up there, for me at least, amongst top fast bowlers. Proctor adds quite a bit with the batting depth too.
    Waite kept 'flawlessly' to Adcock, Heine, and Tayfield and is at least Gilchrist's equal behind the stumps. Possibly more so. He was also good enough with the bat to score centuries against Tyson, Bedser and Lock in Manchester, and also against Davidson, Kline, and Benaud in Durban.

    Waite also enables the inclusion of Lillee-McGrath-Lindwall who are the players most likely to win a Test match IMO.

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