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    Taylor is so ridiculously close to this side it's not funny. Already a better batsman than the likes of Fleming who are also hovering. He also has about 30 more tests to his name than guys who were probably a bit better than him like Donnelly and J.F. Reid (if accounts of their batting when they played match up to the truth).

    Turner
    Dempster
    Sutcliffe
    Crowe
    Donnelly
    J.R. Reid
    Cairns
    Hadlee
    Parore
    Bond
    Cowie

    Bruce Taylor, J.F. Reid, Ross Taylor, Richard Collinge, Stephen Fleming and Ian Smith/Brendon McCullum all hovering.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    I'll put it out there that one of Southee and Boult will demand inclusion by this time 2015. Bond's injury record will count against him a lot.

    Cowie a different case obvz.

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    McCullum's better than Parore was. The latter was a slightly better keeper, especially when you consider how good he was with the gloves in the early 00s. Overall package I'd still have McCullum, he's wasn't exactly Kamran Akmal himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Most of Australia's ATG Sheffield Shield sides would beat whatever NZ side is selected.
    Wow.

    Anyway, definitely Stew Dempster.
    I'm also going to go for Bert Sutcliffe, though he'll hopefully get a gig in the middle order if Glenn Turner takes the opening spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Taylor is so ridiculously close to this side it's not funny. Already a better batsman than the likes of Fleming who are also hovering. He also has about 30 more tests to his name than guys who were probably a bit better than him like Donnelly and J.F. Reid (if accounts of their batting when they played match up to the truth).

    Turner
    Dempster
    Sutcliffe
    Crowe
    Donnelly
    J.R. Reid
    Cairns
    Hadlee
    Parore
    Bond
    Cowie

    Bruce Taylor, J.F. Reid, Ross Taylor, Richard Collinge, Stephen Fleming and Ian Smith/Brendon McCullum all hovering.
    No spinner? How do you rate Vettori? Who do you reckon are the leading spin contenders?

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    Turner
    Dempster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Who do you reckon are the leading spin contenders?
    Paul Wiseman, Chris Kuggeleijn & Kane Williamson.

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    Since people seem to be just throwing down their full AT XI's, I will too.

    Turner
    Wright
    Sutcliffe
    Crowe
    Donnelly
    Reid
    Cairns
    McCullum
    Hadlee
    Bond
    Cowie

    Baylor to come into the side when Bond inevitably keels over halfway through the first match of a hypothetical AT series. No need for a spinner, as any Kiwi tweaker would get obliterated by the other AT batting lineups. Reid can be relied upon to bowl some sla when required.

    Was tempted to include Collinge. His tall left arm seamers would offer a point of difference to what is otherwise a fairly samey attack. But ultimately his mediocre stats counted against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Wow.
    NSW definitely would. Vic, Qld, WA & SA would be an even money chance.

    Even without Bradman, the NSW side would be...

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    who cares though.

    Northern Districts would probably thrash Bangladesh.

    it's obviously not going to be the strongest ATG team, but that makes it more fun tbh.

    We have to make do with some mythical names of players who played 10 tests and about 3 or 4 genuine ATGs.

    It's fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    NSW definitely would. Vic, Qld, WA & SA would be an even money chance.
    What is your point? Just continuing the age old trend of putting down the little fullas over the Tasman? In fact, would NSW even send that team? They'd probably send a second XI made up of youngsters with a senior head or two to keep 'em in line.

    And as for the other states - who gets Clarrie Grimmett? Or would NSW take him for the 2nd XI as he played club cricket there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    What is your point? Just continuing the age old trend of putting down the little fullas over the Tasman? In fact, would NSW even send that team? They'd probably send a second XI made up of youngsters with a senior head or two to keep 'em in line.

    And as for the other states - who gets Clarrie Grimmett? Or would NSW take him for the 2nd XI as he played club cricket there?
    No point. Just talking **** cos I'm bored. I'll stop now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    No spinner? How do you rate Vettori? Who do you reckon are the leading spin contenders?
    J.R. Reid bowled both fast medium and off spin.

    Beyond him, no one. They're a waste of a spot, Vettori included. Vettori would definitely push for a spot if his 2005 batting onwards was extended back to 1997, or his 1997 - 2002 bowling was extended for his entire career, or even better if he pulled off both at the same time, but it didn't pan out that way so he misses out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274 View Post
    J.R. Reid bowled both fast medium and off spin.

    Beyond him, no one. They're a waste of a spot, Vettori included.
    Agreed.

    Turner and Sutcliffe for me. I would like to have Dempster at 4 where he batted for Leicestershire.
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    All-time:

    1. Glenn Turner
    2. Stewie Dempster
    3. Bert Sutcliffe
    4. Martin Crowe
    5. Martin Donnelly/Stephen Fleming/Ross Taylor
    6. John R Reid
    7. Christopher Cairns
    8. Brendon McCullum+
    9. Richard Hadlee
    10. Shane Bond
    11. Jack Cowie


    Best I've seen:

    1. Mark Richardson
    2. Brendon McCullum
    3. Stephen Fleming
    4. Ross Taylor
    5. Nathan Astle
    6. Christopher Cairns
    7. Daniel Vettori
    8. Adam Parore+
    9. Tim Southee
    10. Shane Bond
    11. Trent Boult


    Won't be long until Williamson/Ryder take Astle's spot.
    Oram probably unlucky.

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