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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    How is this bigger than Asif/Amir?
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    How is this not 'MUCH bigger'? What did Amir and Asif do? Bowl a no-ball each? Thats all, whereas here the whole IPL seems to be corrupt. They have thus far only caught the small bookies. Who knows how many more are involved. I suspect that they'll try to brush everything under the carpet fairly soon unfortunately.
    Amir and Asif made world news. Look at the amount of posts about this on here compared to back in 2010 when no-ball gate happened. Look at the amount of news articles outside India about the IPL fix.

    People aren't too surprised that the IPL may be corrupt. Its not bigger news than what happened at Lords in an international test match.

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    Corruption in IPL

    The mess in the message
    As the game unravels outside, India's cricket bosses play defiant and dumb
    Sharda Ugra
    May 25, 2013

    The most emphatic, definitive piece of news on this day before the final was BCCI president N Srinivasan telling a scrum of reporters wherever he went that he would not resign. "There is no need. I have done nothing wrong." Oh, and the final is actually going to go ahead - that information was passed on to a waiting pack of cameramen through a car window by IPL chairman Rajiv Shukla.

    Right there, on this day, we saw the BCCI holding up a mirror up to itself. Not as governors of the world's wealthiest domestic T20 league, the head honchos of the world game in resources and audience. The mirror showed up an organisation, across the highest ranks of its leadership, out of touch with the requirements of reality.

    Dealing with the dizzy speed at which events have moved over the past few days, damaging the credibility of the IPL itself, required sagacity and action.


    What it got from Srinivasan was disdain over questions about his situation and his three-pronged existential dilemma, a conflict of interests come to horrifying life. Something has gone terribly wrong with his board's biggest tournament, the IPL team he owns and his son-in-law, whom he put in charge of that very team.

    Yet the single refrain heard from Srinivasan on the eve of the IPL final was a hectoring, focused around himself and his position: "I have done nothing wrong. I am sorry. I cannot be bulldozed and I will not allow the press or the others to railroad me." This from a "man of cricket," when the cricket under his watch unravels at high speed.

    At a time when police across cities in India are reeling in bookies who are then singing about cricketing criminality in full chorus, what the IPL and Indian cricket needed through Shukla and the BCCI was an acknowledgement of a state of emergency in Indian cricket and transparency about its future course of action, both before and after the IPL final. What we needed was a statement, a signal, anything to indicate that the BCCI was seized of Gurunath's arrest and its implications. What we got was silence and opacity.

    The IPL now runs on such an operational auto-pilot that it found no cause to add to its "four million and counting" tweets, by assuring the outer world - the audience it feeds into and lives off - that Gurunath's arrest would have no impact on either the IPL final or Super Kings for the next two days. Until Shukla formally tossed a few crumbs of comments to television.

    All the IPL has done in the 24 hours since Gurunath's arrest is, issue a code of conduct warning to Dwayne Smith, and remove the "Fair Play Award" category from its webpage. The latter with good reason: Three players and an official from the two teams at the top of that Fair Play table are at the moment in police custody, having their sense of fair play questioned.

    The IPL's governing council and the BCCI's powerbrokers are, give or take a few, the same people. Those who amended the BCCI's constitution to allow board members - starting with Srinivasan himself - to have a "commercial interest" in events related to the board. No wonder, then, that on Saturday the BCCI's priorities immediately turned to tackling its power crisis and letting IPL 2013 run itself out. There was little attention given to rescuing the image of the league, to stop it from running aground, and setting it back on even keel.

    Under the Srinivasan regime, the urge to control the message around Indian cricket has become so reflexive that in a time of a crisis the immediate response was to hold back giving out any message. This method may have worked in the 1970s but in a 24/7 information age it showed the board as out of touch with its audience and its time. It proved that in the board, whether controlled by Srinivasan or Shukla or any of their kind, governance and a sense of responsibility remain truly shipwrecked.

    Sharda Ugra writing for cricinfo
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    The biggest scandal in the game for as long as I can remember and yet this place has become silent as a tomb. Perhaps a tomb is appropriate . . . for the faithful may finally have taken time out for mourning . . . or is it a strategic time out ? By the way, does anyone have a "fresh" insight on why a twenty over game needs two time outs !!
    I haven't made any comment because:

    a. I wasn't surprised; and

    b. Nothing I could say would be anywhere near as entertaining as the reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    i haven't made any comment because:

    A. I wasn't surprised; and

    b. Nothing i could say would be anywhere near as entertaining as the reality


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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    It may be so but Pawar alone won't be able to swing it. There are others whose voices count as well. The most important factor that goes against Srinivasan is the anti-corruption sentiment in the country today. All opposition parties, particularly the major ones are beating rivals with this stick. The public is sick of the seemingly unending number of skeletons and with general elections looming ahead, no one wants to be seen to be backing such an emotive issue with such corrupting issues attached. The public is watching the drama unfold on the tv screens, the apex court has already stepped in and asked the BCCI to clean up its house, Mr Srinivasan, with his belated dish owning of his son-in-law's connections to CSK has kind of admitted that he expects the stuff against Guru to affect CSK and him ;Srinivasan) personally. Under theses circumstances no one wants to be seen to be pussyfooting any more. Those who come on TV debates trying to soft peddle the issue with a wait for the investigation to be over and a few rotten eggs kind of lines are being verbally assaulted and made to look really terrible if not down right involved in the corruption. And a billion Indians are watching this unfold right before their eyes. Day before night and even yesterday more Indians were watching the Newshour on Times Now than we're watching the game between MI and RR.

    No one needs to do much to paint Srinivasan in murky colours. His son in law and everything else has done that job very well. If his opponents take advantage of it we should not be surprised but this issue does not start with his opponents.

    By the way, it is quite likely that a lot of people who may otherwise be Srinivasan's rivals are also linked, directly or indirectly with some of this rot. One hears names and stuff but it is neither fair nor prudent to state these. Nevertheless, if this is indeed the case, these people too want a lid on the scandal and they too feel, Srinivasan's going may mollify the public a bit. Banning the players who get caught for life immediately is another thing they will do. They just want to go out of the way now to be seen as people who are on the same side as the cricket fan. The big rush to bring out a new law, however half baked, ineffective and badly implemented in practice, is yet another diversionary tactic. They just want to be seen to taking action. Till yesterday afternoon, no one, including Srinivasan's rivals talked of asking him to go. It was only when it was known that Guru was located and returning to Mumbai and that India Cements was disowning his status in CSK if last five years that they realised that the case against him was strong enough for this to be a dead end, that they started changing their tunes.

    It is also now known that the cops presented evidence before the court yesterday showing the extent of Guru's involvement which was damning enough for them to arrest him at the end of the interrogation late into the night. This fact too must have been known to all the powerful men involved in IPl and they must have stared making damage control strategies.

    At the end of the day, politicians know only one religion and one ethnicity, the one of power and influence, and they will make any compromise and take any amount of U turns to stay in that area of power and influence.

    The community , caste, religion and language cards are the ones they use to make monkeys out of you and me. It is our communal sensibilities that they exploit in this Maratha vs whoever game. It means nothing to them but they realise this is what they can use to fool the bumbling idiocy that makes the majority
    This is all rather depressing.

    The only positive is the slick work of the Delhi police.

    However, even with excellent police work, the chance of snuffing out the cronies and their complete lack of dedication to the well-being of cricket is at best minimal, because, as you point out, the big questions are not questions of legality, but instead integrity and morals.

    It may well be perfectly legal to Srinivasan to be owner of the CSK and an IPL director, but it sure as hell ain't moral. Whether he was the architect of fixing or not - and lets face it, he was perfectly placed to be and it's very likely that he at least knew what was going on - the actual fixing is far less important in the long run than agendas that run completely counter to the interests of Indian and world cricket. And the reality is that the IPL and BCCI has shown itself to be stuffed full of people who have their own agendas. They will probably wipe their hands of Srinivasan but there won't be much change.
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    I am always amazed when people devote their time and energy to some godman ignoring all the warning signs and then complain about trust/betrayal when a sleazy scandal sinks the show. I find the same moths - lamp equation at work here. Reminded me so much of the "Old shoe" sequence in "Wag the Dog".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    This is all rather depressing.

    The only positive is the slick work of the Delhi police.

    However, even with excellent police work, the chance of snuffing out the cronies and their complete lack of dedication to the well-being of cricket is at best minimal, because, as you point out, the big questions are not questions of legality, but instead integrity and morals.

    It may well be perfectly legal to Srinivasan to be owner of the CSK and an IPL director, but it sure as hell ain't moral. Whether he was the architect of fixing or not - and lets face it, he was perfectly placed to be and it's very likely that he at least knew what was going on - the actual fixing is far less important in the long run than agendas that run completely counter to the interests of Indian and world cricket. And the reality is that the IPL and BCCI has shown itself to be stuffed full of people who have their own agendas.
    Yes you are right. It is very depressing which is why people like myself are so worked up . . . it is our own helplessness to do anything about it that hurts the most. There is no one, no one at all, amongst those one could normally expect results from to look up to.

    The BCCI we all know so we expect nothing even after Srinivasan goes. Dalmiya, Bindra, Pawar, Srinivasan and whoever comes next (Jaitley or anyone else) they all have vested interests and cricket is not a priority with any of them.

    The ICC is behaving like we the third world countries used to behave once and took all the nonsense from the global powers who provided us with food (and much else) to feed our starving millions. Of course, ICC's flock is not going to starve but those who can stand up to BCCI and its money power are in a minority. The former third world countries are easier to buy the votes of and this works fine for BCCI. If ICC was to call BCCI's bluff the latter would collapse if international cricket against the top nations was denied them. BCCI may threaten to divide the cricketing world (a kind of black vs white divide if you dont mind the unintended racial undertones) but this wont sustain and more nations in BCCI's block today when it comes to voting will have a rethink. Giving in to BCCI is much worse than giving in to Packer and with much greater and far-reaching negative fall outs.

    The politicians are not going to do anything since, inspite of tearing each other (opponents) to shreds in and outside Parliament they seem to be in one cosy club in the air conditioned offices of the BCCI. It is amazing how they scratch each others back when faced with an external threat to the elite-club that BCCI has become. Their internal fueds within BCCI remain just that - internal fueds. It is no surprise that Dalmiys, so unceremoniously and publicly ousted by the current set was the host for dinner to the BCCI management committee members last night. Not just that, most of them, including Srinivasan, met him personally, it appears, on a one to one basis, before the dinner. What can you expect from this coterie. So any talk of Pawar versus Srinivasan etc is useless as far as we the Indian fans are concerned.

    The police, though they have done a commendable job so far, have their political masters whose interests, unfortunately, are political at best. So the police can be made to do what they are told. Like it or not, in our country that is the round reality.

    The players particularly the former greats and seniors are the biggest disappointment. Gavaskar and Shastri have contracts with BCCI and are paid millions every year. Their silence, though deafening, is completely on expected lines. Even Sanjay Manjrekar, who till last year was the one outspoken critic has been given a contract this year and he too is now a monk. Enough said.

    The journalists Some like Harsha Bhogle and Ayaz Memon who are widely read and write well have become extremely soft and any criticism is couched in laudatory terms, if at all. We do not have any Ian Chappells in the main stream. Bhogle is in the same boat as Sunil and Ravi being a commentator and Memon has been doing commentary off and on as well. It is terrrible that the TV channels are not allowed to pick their own commentators. Those who are chosen have a gag order. You cant talk against BCCI, you cant talk against IPL. You cant talk in favour of UDRS and so on. Think about it. What kind of a regime does this kind of gagging exist in? How are we tolerating it.

    There is the odd brave and sane voice - Pradeep Magazine immediately comes to mind - but how many of you hear them. Magazine was only seen once by me in the last four days of TV debating panels across four mainstream News channels. And even here, the anchor was so much in awe of the BCCI representative from J&K , Aslam Goni, that he allowed the latter to completely monopolise the debate making a mockery of the panel discussion. Somehow, we seem to be 'turned on' by those who rave and rant at the higher decibel levels and those who talk sense but politely and softly like Pradeep Magazine does, are less listened to by the masses.

    The electronic Media is one tiny ray of hope but their attention span is only as long as that between this scandal and the next.

    So what can the cricket fan do. Not much one could say but it is not absolutely true.

    All those who are currently running the game and those who will run it in the future, in this country at least, are interested only in the moolah and the power which are really one and the same thing. Where does this come from? From the sponsors and the advertisers. Why do the sponsors and advertisers give the money? Because they expect you and I to buy their products. How do they know we will buy their products? They don't know but they make a guess from the numbers on the ground and the numbers who watch on TV - TRP ratings.

    So. This is what is in our hands.

    Send out a message to the sponsors and the advertisers that we do not like the product they are helping BCCI to sell. So we do not intend to buy it. We will not watch the games at the grounds or on TV. They can forget about trying to make us see their ads between breaks for our eyes are not going to be looking in that direction.

    This and the negative publicity is the only thing that will make the sponsors and advertisers back off. The ripple effect will be as dramatic as our determination to do what we need to do and the number of us who understand that this is what we MUST do.

    This is no pipe dream. This is doable. Much more importantly this is our only chance to get rid of this menace.

    Do it and watch how the electronic media takes up the cause with increased vigour.

    Show that the majority of Indians want this change and watch how the politicians change their tune.

    Do this and watch the more concerned and right thinking former cricketers coming together to help out.

    This is a possibility, howsoever remote, it is the only one. But it requires the millions of fans to decide they wont be taken for a ride anymore. If not stay on. It is a ride some of you enjoy anyway
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    Haha! The definition of irony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Amir and Asif made world news. Look at the amount of posts about this on here compared to back in 2010 when no-ball gate happened. Look at the amount of news articles outside India about the IPL fix.

    People aren't too surprised that the IPL may be corrupt. Its not bigger news than what happened at Lords in an international test match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Amir and Asif made world news. Look at the amount of posts about this on here compared to back in 2010 when no-ball gate happened. Look at the amount of news articles outside India about the IPL fix.

    People aren't too surprised that the IPL may be corrupt. Its not bigger news than what happened at Lords in an international test match.
    I believe that was only because it was the first time we had heard about spot-fixing. There was a huge surprise element to it.

    If Pak were to spot fix in a test tomorrow, who would be surprised then?

    The reason there aren;t many posts here is that the members of this forum don't particularly follow IPL.

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    It's England that mainly controls the media outside India and since there aren't any English players in the IPL, it doesn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post

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    It's England that mainly controls the media outside India and since there aren't any English players in the IPL, it doesn't care.
    This.

    Add in the fact a test involving England is going on as this story breaks and it matters even less. No doubt there will be some gloating stories from some of our pressmen in the coming weeks though as more facts emerge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    I believe that was only because it was the first time we had heard about spot-fixing. There was a huge surprise element to it.

    If Pak were to spot fix in a test tomorrow, who would be surprised then?

    The reason there aren;t many posts here is that the members of this forum don't particularly follow IPL.

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    It's England that mainly controls the media outside India and since there aren't any English players in the IPL, it doesn't care.
    ....sad but true

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