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The serviceable all-rounder
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wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Wasn't Peter May Pringle's father-in-law?
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
No. He's not married.
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He was Chris Cowdrey's godfather, while we're on the subject of serviceable all-rounders
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
That's the one. They all look alike after a while though.He was Chris Cowdrey's godfather, while we're on the subject of serviceable all-rounders
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Philander is a decent bat and we all know about his exploits with the ball.
Viscount Tom
International Debutant
Hammond as a serviceable all-rounder?
Can he be defined as serviceable, given his batting alone puts him at ATG status? More a fantastic batsman with the bonus of being a fifth bowler, like Kallis or Sobers.
Should be discussed more in all-rounder stakes, tbh.
the big bambino
International Captain
I'd rate Flintoff and Bailey as good enough as bowlers alone. Bailey as 1st change, Flintoff as an opener.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Yeh, true. Hammond would be selected in any team as a batmsan alone.
The intention of the thread was more those players who wouldn't be selected on the strength of either discipline alone, but the sum of their parts makes them very valuable to their teams.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Bailey's an interesting case. Only took two wickets per test, so as a frontliner he is limited.
the big bambino
International Captain
He averaged 32 v Aus, 26 v SA and 29 v WI; all strong teams in his day. He played well at home and OS. I think his wkts/test stat looks meagre bcos he was often behind Tyson, Bedser, Trueman, Statham, Laker and Lock. So his role would have been support to those bowlers but as some of his efforts show when he was called upon, he could be a 1st change bowler at least.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, I picture Andrew Hall whenever I see this thread in New Posts.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't doubt that Bailey was a Test standard bowler, but I doubt he was good enough to get into that particular team on the strength of his bowling alone given the standard of his contemporaries. What put him ahead of them, deservedly, was his serviceable batting. So in that sense a serviceable all rounder.
Teja.
Global Moderator
Ravi Shastri was the first name that came to my mind. Probably good enough to make the Indian side on batting alone for most of his career though - averaged over 35 through 80 tests.
I honestly can't think of a more 'typical' career for this term than his though, honestly. He averages about two wickets a game with 151 wickets @ 40 and 3800 runs @ 35 in 80 tests. I can't think of anyone who was so close to maintaining a 'serviceable' balance so well in the last 30-40 years over a prolonged career.
I honestly can't think of a more 'typical' career for this term than his though, honestly. He averages about two wickets a game with 151 wickets @ 40 and 3800 runs @ 35 in 80 tests. I can't think of anyone who was so close to maintaining a 'serviceable' balance so well in the last 30-40 years over a prolonged career.