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    Yep he was given the hard word on fitness, 13.45 into the Hesson interview below.

    http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/we...port/61830.mp3 (starts 8.30 in)
    http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/we...port/61845.mp3

    Bloody Siddons and his 'self-esteem first' laissez-faire coaching no doubt. Leaves Hesscum to roll into Wellington like Ben Kingsley, recruiting numerous Ray Winstones for one last job.
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    Thanks for that link Kippax, good to see that Hesson is still deluded

    "Brendon is certaintly our number one keeper"

    Brendon is adequate back from the stumps but standing up he has gone backwards real fast as he is just not keeping enough. From everything Ive heard about Ronchi's glovework you would be mad not to have him keeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    Luke Ronchi 129 runs @ 25. Ah yes, get that man in the team.
    Let's not forget that Ronchi opening for Wellington was an experiment demanded by NZC. The fact that the experiment failed and it still hasn't deterred NZC from selecting Ronchi in that capacity is the strange point.

    We do have a tendency with batsman to give them every opportunity to fail, rather than playing them in a more ideal position. I suspect we'll soon be able to add Ronchi to that rather sad looking list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    Nuffy Ellis in the squad but no Matt Henry (easily the best limited overs bowler in the country this season), what a crock of ****. Watling missing out is pretty harsh.

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    God we need some all rounders, these guys are the weakest spot in our team (although Franko there isn't to bad).
    Don't mind the selection of Elliott.He's always been good value in ODI cricket.

    I'd prefer to see someone like Neesham persevered with though ahead of Ellis. Not saying that Ellis is a bad player, he's just no better than Neesham and Neesham is about 10 years younger.


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    Quote Originally Posted by African Monkey View Post
    Don't mind the selection of Elliott.He's always been good value in ODI cricket.

    I'd prefer to see someone like Neesham persevered with though ahead of Ellis. Not saying that Ellis is a bad player, he's just no better than Neesham and Neesham is about 10 years younger.
    Both of these points I agree with.

    Elliot (especially batting) is a player of good contrast to have at around 5 in our order. Bowling, I would hope he doesn't have to do much of that.

    Neesham I feel is already better than Ellis in someways, and I feel can improve greatly. Bin A.Ellis thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Let's not forget that Ronchi opening for Wellington was an experiment demanded by NZC. .
    Was wondering whose idea that was.

    Wish it was John Wright and Ross Taylor's idea...

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    I'm surprised Anderson didn't get a call up to the ODIs considering he made the warm up match in Queenstown look like one and we love selecting the new flavour. Is he fit to bowl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    I'm surprised Anderson didn't get a call up to the ODIs considering he made the warm up match in Queenstown look like one and we love selecting the new flavour. Is he fit to bowl?
    Didn't bowl in his last two List A games - Corey Anderson | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

    In fact, hasn't done a lot of bowling in his domestic career whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezroy View Post

    Elliot (especially batting) is a player of good contrast to have at around 5 in our order. Bowling, I would hope he doesn't have to do much of that.
    I once played in this club game where our opening bowler was looking threatening but couldn't break through and we needed another two wickets. Rather than persisting with the opening bowler the captain who was fielding at first slip put on the guy who was fielding at second slip to bowl. As the new bowler started to walk to take the ball he turned to the captain and said "and just put it on a length nothing fancy" and then nodded his head knowingly at the skip. It became obvious to all of us that the second slip had talked his way into bowling by giving some theory or another on what we needed to get the breakthrough. Needless to say he bowled like crap and we lost the game.

    Where am I going with this?
    I was watching the Champions Trophy final some years ago and baz was captain. And in a surprise move he brought on Elliot to bowl. On his way to his run up Elliot turned to baz and the stump mics caught him say and I'll just put it back of a length - and then he did that thing which bowlers do where he flicked his wrist to show he would seam it. I was reminded of my club game and I had the impression Grant had talked his way into bowling. Needless to say the outcome was identical and baz looked disgusted and let down when Elliot bowled one for 5 wides. Moral of the story captains shouldn't bowl losers at bowling even if they talk a good game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezroy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    I once played in this club game where our opening bowler was looking threatening but couldn't break through and we needed another two wickets. Rather than persisting with the opening bowler the captain who was fielding at first slip put on the guy who was fielding at second slip to bowl. As the new bowler started to walk to take the ball he turned to the captain and said "and just put it on a length nothing fancy" and then nodded his head knowingly at the skip. It became obvious to all of us that the second slip had talked his way into bowling by giving some theory or another on what we needed to get the breakthrough. Needless to say he bowled like crap and we lost the game.

    Where am I going with this?
    I was watching the Champions Trophy final some years ago and baz was captain. And in a surprise move he brought on Elliot to bowl. On his way to his run up Elliot turned to baz and the stump mics caught him say and I'll just put it back of a length - and then he did that thing which bowlers do where he flicked his wrist to show he would seam it. I was reminded of my club game and I had the impression Grant had talked his way into bowling. Needless to say the outcome was identical and baz looked disgusted and let down when Elliot bowled one for 5 wides. Moral of the story captains shouldn't bowl losers at bowling even if they talk a good game.
    That's not completely fair on Elliott. He's played some good hands with the ball. Particularly on our last tour to England.

    Not a frontliner but he's in the Scotty Styris mould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    That's not completely fair on Elliott. He's played some good hands with the ball. Particularly on our last tour to England.

    Not a frontliner but he's in the Scotty Styris mould.
    indeed = loser is a bit harsh. In that instance it was apt however if he had talked himself up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Let's not forget that Ronchi opening for Wellington was an experiment demanded by NZC. The fact that the experiment failed and it still hasn't deterred NZC from selecting Ronchi in that capacity is the strange point.

    We do have a tendency with batsman to give them every opportunity to fail, rather than playing them in a more ideal position. I suspect we'll soon be able to add Ronchi to that rather sad looking list.
    Reminds me of 8-10 years ago England seemed determined to try every wicketkeeper in the country - including Chris 'duck' Read iirc - to become a Gilchristian opener.

    Similar thought processes at work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Reminds me of 8-10 years ago England seemed determined to try every wicketkeeper in the country - including Chris 'duck' Read iirc - to become a Gilchristian opener.
    Errr, this only ended about two and a half months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    That's not completely fair on Elliott. He's played some good hands with the ball. Particularly on our last tour to England.

    Not a frontliner but he's in the Scotty Styris mould.
    My belief is that Styris is a much better LO bowler than Elliot.

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