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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    HMM, some promising moments this match, still not great though. Will hope that Broad and Finn were just rusty today.

    Bres, Buttler and most importantly for me, Morgan coming into form is good.

    Morgan's lack of form has really been worrying, he was our best one-day player for a while, and was the perfect foil for our more stolid players.
    Yeah Morgan has to fire if we are to win the CT IMO. The balance of our side and the top 3 make the role of finisher more important than ever, and while Root and Buttler have a lot of potential, neither have done it as much and as well as Morgan have in the past. Him failing today would have meant a score below 250 in all likelihood, whereas we nearly got 290 because he fired. Difference between winning and losing really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    True, but the rest of the side is not half as good as Taylor.
    Taylor is an average death batsman. He's so one dimensional in his method of attack that it rarely takes long for him to hole out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Yeah Morgan has to fire if we are to win the CT IMO. The balance of our side and the top 3 make the role of finisher more important than ever, and while Root and Buttler have a lot of potential, neither have done it as much and as well as Morgan have in the past. Him failing today would have meant a score below 250 in all likelihood, whereas we nearly got 290 because he fired. Difference between winning and losing really.
    This. Especially with Pietersen out of the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Taylor is an average death batsman. He's so one dimensional in his method of attack that it rarely takes long for him to hole out.
    It's so stupid the way he does that when we know he has every other shot in the book.
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    The addition of a reverse sweep would actually add a lot to Taylor's game in those death overs.

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    We used to be considered 'clinical' in ODIs - what's the opposite of clinical? Seems this match was there for the taking at various stages and we let it slip through sloppyness (64 off the last 3 overs and apparent inability to construct a moderate chase).

    I like the direction this ODI side has taken in recent times, in particular McClenaghan's wicket-taking and a return of lower order fire-power with McCullum at 6. However imo we still seem to be just a collection of players (some of whom are quite good at ODIs) and tend to win games on the back of one or two individual efforts, rather than a good ODI side like we were for much of last decade. We are not living up to the stereotype of NZ teams being 'greater than the sum of their parts'.

    At least pleased to see NcCullum and Mills scored some runs - we're going to need those lower order runs I feel to have a chance in the CT.

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    Watling should be at number five really.

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    In an ideal world we would be building for the 2015 world cup, and many of the current side will be 34-36 when it rolls around. Vettori and Mills are world class, Brendon McCullum is decent, Elliott and Nathan McCullum are solid and Franklin has his moments, but we need viable replacements ready for the older guys if they aren't up to it in 2015.

    Watling at number five either as the keeper or as a specialist batsman would be my preference after the Champions Trophy as well if Elliott disappoints. I think Watling is a better ODI batsman than Elliot anyway itbt but Elliott hasn't really done anything to deserve to be either dropped or retained. Anderson or Neesham should come in for Franklin due to being better bowlers already and promising talents with the bat. I can't remember how Nick Beard went in domestic one dayers, but he was a matchwinner for Otago in the HRV Cup so he wouldn't be the worst new squad member either since we're light on spinners.

    Big question marks over who opens if Ronchi doesn't make the position his own. Papps, How etc have been tried and failed before. Kitchen had a good run as a one day opener for Auckland. Maybe he will be introduced to the squad soon?
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    I'll say it again, McCullum and Ronchi should trade places.

    Barring that, Williamson should be opening.

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    having managed to catch a few minutes of the game in the morning, why the **** didn't Taylor swivel a bit and slog towards fine leg, seeing that the fielder had been pulled out from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    In an ideal world we would be building for the 2015 world cup, and many of the current side will be 34-36 when it rolls around. Vettori and Mills are world class, Brendon McCullum is decent, Elliott and Nathan McCullum are solid and Franklin has his moments, but we need viable replacements ready for the older guys if they aren't up to it in 2015.

    Watling at number five either as the keeper or as a specialist batsman would be my preference after the Champions Trophy as well if Elliott disappoints. I think Watling is a better ODI batsman than Elliot anyway itbt but Elliott hasn't really done anything to deserve to be either dropped or retained. Anderson or Neesham should come in for Franklin due to being better bowlers already and promising talents with the bat. I can't remember how Nick Beard went in domestic one dayers, but he was a matchwinner for Otago in the HRV Cup so he wouldn't be the worst new squad member either since we're light on spinners.

    Big question marks over who opens if Ronchi doesn't make the position his own. Papps, How etc have been tried and failed before. Kitchen had a good run as a one day opener for Auckland. Maybe he will be introduced to the squad soon?
    We can start building for the World Cup after this tournament - a few games to Henry and Milne and younger batsmen (though I can't think who right now. Not convinced by Kitchen and prefer allrounders to focus on first class). Agree Watling at 5 would be a modest improvement over Elliott, though I think really both Ronchi and McCullum should bat down the order, which means a rearrangement is required. Wouldn't mind if they just moved Ronchi to 6 and everyone else up one.

    Nick Beard and Kane Williamson bowling together would have several members of this forum in conniptions.

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    I still like Watling as an opener. Gave him an aggressive partner like Guptill to take the runscoring pressure off, and I think he can still do a job for NZ. With him slotting into the side you could have a team along the lines of:

    Guptill
    Watling
    KW
    Taylor
    Elliot/Franklin
    McCullum
    Ronchi
    Vettori/NMac
    3 out of Southee, Boult, Mills, McC, Bennett, Milne, Henry

    Throw in the tantalising (but probably unlikely to be realised) prospect of Ryder returning for that number 5 spot, and you have a damn good side.

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    Can't shake image of Watling looking absolutely clueless against Anderson and Finn with the new white ball in NZ though. For this tournament I'd go.

    Guptill
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Watling/Elliott
    McCullum
    Franklin
    Ronchi
    NcCullum
    Southee
    Mills
    McClenaghan

    The middle order could go in any order but I've just alternated hitters with strike-rotators.

    Jury still out on where Vettori fits into the side. Don't think can afford to replace Franklin's batting with Vettori's, so that leaves NcCullum or perhaps Southee under threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    I still like Watling as an opener. Gave him an aggressive partner like Guptill to take the runscoring pressure off, and I think he can still do a job for NZ. With him slotting into the side you could have a team along the lines of:
    Maybe he's turned it around a bit recently but I just don't see Guptill as an aggressive opener. Sure, he's impressive in his ability to lift his strike rate later on, but I've never seen him as someone who will dominate a new ball partnership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Can't shake image of Watling looking absolutely clueless against Anderson and Finn with the new white ball in NZ though. For this tournament I'd go.

    Guptill
    Williamson
    Taylor
    Watling/Elliott
    McCullum
    Franklin
    Ronchi
    NcCullum
    Southee
    Mills
    McClenaghan

    The middle order could go in any order but I've just alternated hitters with strike-rotators.

    Jury still out on where Vettori fits into the side. Don't think can afford to replace Franklin's batting with Vettori's, so that leaves NcCullum or perhaps Southee under threat.
    A week ago i would have argued that you should start him ahead of Franko but with no games under his belt it is not an option to play him barring injuries in the CT.
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