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    Whaddaya mean, "could be"

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    I don't really understand why they haven't been out for the last hour or two, there has been no rain at all in this time, and the rain hasn't been heavy and prolonged at any stage today so i seriously doubt the ground is particularly wet underfoot. Interesting to know they are taking tea at the moment, looks like its about to pour it down.

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    Forecast is a bit better for tomorrow fortunately - sunny with a possibility of showers - so hopefully there'll be a full day's play or something close to it. Reckon the Lions should bat on for at least another hour, maybe even till lunch.

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    They'll get the runs quicker now than in the second innings, so yeah, might as well try at a lead that won't be overtaken. Would mean that Ravi & Woakes probably get a bat as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Yep Onions could take wickets at 15 for the whole season, get one Test where he was the best bowler and he'd still probably not get another look in.

    Oh wait.

    Lets look forward to Bresnan playing and hoping he's fully fit. Otherwise it'll be more garbage about how Finn has done this that and the other but still happens to be a guy with all the raw ingredients but who just isn't a Test bowler.
    I don't even think Finn has as many brilliant raw ingredients as people think. People overestimate his pace for tests because of the pace he bowls in ODI's, where you only have to bowl a maximum of 10 overs, before getting a couple of days rest. It's a different story when you have to run in all day, and then some. His pace in tests at the moment is no quicker than Bresnan was pre elbow. And unlike Bres, he doesn't swing either the new nut or old ball much.

    I don't think he has enough tools yet to be a real handful for good test batsman on good wickets. He'll continue to play though, and get hyped up by the media, because he'll gun it in the ODI's like he has for two years. He's brilliant in those.

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    As someone said before, the remarkable thing about Root is that he really hadn't been banging the door down for international selection before it came, and after a few games a bit of slightly surprising success he's gone back to the county and A-level scenes and really dominated.

    I wonder if it's more of a case of him being picked at exactly the right moment just before he was about to break out, or if his time with the England side gave him just that little bit of extra confidence and specialist coaching he needed to do it. It was most likely a bit of both I guess.
    I'm gonna put a hunch on the line and say when he was picked for the India series they didn't intend to play him, and they just brought him over for the experience. I wouldn't be surprised if he improved massively on tour, as the coaches said they were really impressed with him. After all, they went with Bairstow in Mumbai, but went with Root in Nagpur. Surely Bairstow didn't just fall behind the pecking order because of one failure on a pitch only Pujara, KP and Cook conquered? No; I reckon Root got in because he improved remarkably throughout the tour.

    I've been pretty skeptical of Root so far in his international career, as I'm a big believer of picking guys who make big runs, like Compton, and not guys on potential. I wasn't happy when he made his debut in each format, and because I'm a stubborn ****, I've remained skeptical for a while. But all he's done in his international career so far is prove me wrong, and his start to the season has finally converted me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    They'll get the runs quicker now than in the second innings, so yeah, might as well try at a lead that won't be overtaken. Would mean that Ravi & Woakes probably get a bat as well.
    Yeah, bat till Lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I wonder if Root can get to 1000 before the end of May despite playing for England. He's on 561 (in his 4th innings) as I type.

    Edit: Nope, no county game after the Tests in time
    Might not need the county games at this rate.
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    Not much love for Finn around here I've noticed.

    Personally I agree that right now the 3rd seamer spot is wide open and there is not much at all between Finn, Bresnan and Onions. If Bressy is fully fit and back to full pace I'd take him but purely because with him in the side we have Swann at 10 and Jimmy at 11..........strongest tail in test cricket at the moment.

    But we've got to accept that Finn is the future of our bowling attack and I for one am pretty excited about him. He's a young bloke and a long way off the finished article and takes his test wickets at under 30........he's only going to get better and that average will fall.

    If for eg Jimmy had kept his average below 30 pre 2007/2008 before he came of age he'd have a career ave of something like 25/26 now........ which is where I see Finn headed.

    I'm very comfortable with Finn in the side, I know we will occasionally get some **** performances from him for now, but I reckon by the end of his career he'll be the highest England test wicket taker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    Not much love for Finn around here I've noticed.

    Personally I agree that right now the 3rd seamer spot is wide open and there is not much at all between Finn, Bresnan and Onions. If Bressy is fully fit and back to full pace I'd take him but purely because with him in the side we have Swann at 10 and Jimmy at 11..........strongest tail in test cricket at the moment.

    But we've got to accept that Finn is the future of our bowling attack and I for one am pretty excited about him. He's a young bloke and a long way off the finished article and takes his test wickets at under 30........he's only going to get better and that average will fall.

    If for eg Jimmy had kept his average below 30 pre 2007/2008 before he came of age he'd have a career ave of something like 25/26 now........ which is where I see Finn headed.

    I'm very comfortable with Finn in the side, I know we will occasionally get some **** performances from him for now, but I reckon by the end of his career he'll be the highest England test wicket taker.
    Not for much longer.

    Don't give a toss about how many Test wicket he ends up with. He needs to earn his spot in the side by merit and he hasn't done that - Test cricket isn't the place for learning your game. It is holding back his development if anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Not for much longer.

    Don't give a toss about how many Test wicket he ends up with. He needs to earn his spot in the side by merit and he hasn't done that - Test cricket isn't the place for learning your game. It is holding back his development if anything.
    I don't disagree that he like any player needs to earn his spot and like I said I've got no problem at all if Bressy gets the nod ahead of him for the entire summer.

    Just think a lot of the criticism of Finn is a bit harsh, taken 80 wickets in 20 tests at under 30. If this is what he can offer while he is learning his trade it is not a bad return for us. If the others vying for the 3rd seamers spot were likely to do significantly better than that, then play them.

    As an England fan it is nice to be even having this discussion, in past years it has been a case of who the **** can fill the role. The fact that we've got 3 or 4 perfectly capable options is a great position to be in.

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    Finn v Roland-Jones in first class matches they have played together. Finn gets the new ball and Roland-Jones first or second change.

    323.0-79-1009-42 - Finn 24.02 econ 3.12 s/r 46.1
    248.4-39-778-42 - TR-J 18.52 econ 3.12 s/r 35.5

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    So Tremlett's not fit yet or just not taking wickets in domestic?

    I imagine England would want him back for the ashes.

    Also, Broad's spot must be on the line if he has a poor series.

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    Not seen any of Roland-Jones but I presume he is "not quick enough" as there is this bizarre obsession with pace these days.

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    Just what you need when quick runs are needed. An out of form Ravi Bopara walks to the crease. Can't see him playing for anything but himself here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Not seen any of Roland-Jones but I presume he is "not quick enough" as there is this bizarre obsession with pace these days.
    i think there is a pace obsession in as much as players like davies, patterson and stevens can take 40 or 50 fc wickets in a season bowling 70mph wicket to wicket. They are never going to cause anyone any trouble with the exception of playing in england on the slow low wickets which seam and swing around a little. County cricket makes too many mediocre cricketers appear good.

    TRJ is in the correct position at the moment. He had a great start to his career and had a lions callup before he was injury plagued for a couple of years. He seems fit again and taking wickets. He is back in the lions on the basis of his performances but he still has only played two seasons of first class cricket (34 fc games).

    He bowls around 80mph but is tall and moves the ball off the seam rather than swinging the ball miles and is fairly metronomical. He almost certainly will play for England. But how many 80mph bowlers are succesful in international cricket? There aren't many. You need to be extremely good at what you do if you want to succeed bowling at 80mph in test cricket.

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