View Poll Results: Who is the best "Cricketer" ever

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  • Keith Miller

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  • Imran Khan

    7 9.33%
  • Gary Sobers

    16 21.33%
  • Jacques Kallis

    15 20.00%
  • Don Bradman

    28 37.33%
  • WG Grace

    5 6.67%
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    only 3 contenders

    sobers
    grace
    bradman


    other names mentioned here , were not even best of their eras (arguably )
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Imran Khan IMO.

    On Sobers vs Khan, IMO Imran's bowling (i.e. his strength) was better than Sobers' batting (his strength).
    No way imo. Many many people consider Sobers to be the second greatest batsman ever. To my knowledge, Imran's name doesn't ce up as often as Marshall, Barnes, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Lillee in the best bowler ever debate. Think the greatest bowler thread would provide evidence for this too. Amazing though he was I don't have Imran in the top 5 bowlers ever, Sobers is in my top 3 batsmen.
    It's silly to compare bowling and batting anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyanash89 View Post
    It's Bradman. Even if you want to hold to the logic that the best player must be an allrounder(which I don't agree with at all), I say Bradman WAS an all rounder whose two core strengths were batting and batting.

    FFS, he's statistically worth two ATG batsmen.
    Not aiming to pull down Bradman here.. But how is he statistically worth two ATG batsmen? How do you define that?

    He is the greatest batsman and that is it. His stats don't measure up to any 2 ATG batsmen put together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    Not aiming to pull down Bradman here.. But how is he statistically worth two ATG batsmen? How do you define that?

    He is the greatest batsman and that is it. His stats don't measure up to any 2 ATG batsmen put together.
    An argument can be made that an average ATG batsman scores 50 runs per completed innings (eg. Viv, Ponting, Waugh, Border etc), while Bradman scores the double of that. So....
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    imran khan greatest cricketer ever

    so. hu is the greatest indian cricketer of 90s

    kapil ? kumble ? or manoj prabhakar ?

    if 1wkt=25 runs

    prabhakar and kapil averaging 60+ in an innings
    kumble - 70-80

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    An argument can be made that an average ATG batsman scores 50 runs per completed innings (eg. Viv, Ponting, Waugh, Border etc), while Bradman scores the double of that. So....
    even ATG + VERY GOOD wins the argument.. 55+45..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    imran khan greatest cricketer ever
    interesting turn of events
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    I just love all kinds of balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Imran Khan IMO.

    On Sobers vs Khan, IMO Imran's bowling (i.e. his strength) was better than Sobers' batting (his strength). I'd say Imran's batting was probably about equal to Sobers' bowling.
    You are joking, right? Sobers is widely acknowledged as one of the best batsmen after Bradman. For 90% of people, I'd say Sobers would be among their top 10 batsmen of all time, and ditto for Imran with his bowling.

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    It has to be Bradman. He's the first pick in almost every ATG draft, and he's a specialist. If you notice, round 1 of most drafts see all of the top all-rounders being picked first, but Bradman always gets the nod ahead of any of them. He's quite simply seen as more valuable than any all-rounder, or for that matter, any player.
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    And, if we're to be daft and try to manipulate statistics to try to prove anything in this regard, you'd find that Sobers, Kallis and Imran all still fall short of Bradman.

    Both Sobers and Kallis have roughly 55 batting averages, and you'd probably liken their bowling averages to batting averages around the 40 mark, which sits them at roughly 95 overall.

    Imran averaged a bit below 40 with the bat, and his bowling was most definitely not the equivalent to a 60+ batting average, which would be required to equal Bradman on this daft statistical premise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    I would have a different take on things. That whatever chance he got with the bat he did very well
    But the point has always been that he got a good average but didn't bat often, so he didn't perform with both at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    An argument can be made that an average ATG batsman scores 50 runs per completed innings (eg. Viv, Ponting, Waugh, Border etc), while Bradman scores the double of that. So....
    But all of them whom you mention average above 50..Any of the ATG batsmen who makes it to World XIs would surely average over 50..One of Bradman's 2 batsmen should average below 50 for overall rate to be 99.94.

    And I am just nitpicking for fun..

    Quote Originally Posted by sobers no:1 View Post
    even ATG + VERY GOOD wins the argument.. 55+45..
    No..It loses the argument..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    A thousand times this.

    I know I've said it before, but this obsession that a few people seem to have with inventing reasons or criteria to mark down Bradman - and only Bradman - just to somehow bring him back to the field is beyond ludicrous. I suppose it must seem easier to artificially create some sort of level playing field than to acknowledge that there was a bloke so good that statistically he shouldn't exist.
    It's the law of diminishing returns, god! There's no way he would've sustained an average that high if he'd had played at least 3 times as much cricket in his career!

    Although he avg'd 95 over a really long FC career, you have to consider that a guy who can avg 100 in tests should be averaging easily120+ in FC against worse attacks, given his unrelenting style of batting. The fact that he didn't illustrates diminishing returns! (look at his avgs against the likes of India to get an idea of how he fared against worse attacks)

    I hope I don't have to explain this again.

    (I haven't even brought up any difference in era and stuff this time...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    An argument can be made that an average ATG batsman scores 50 runs per completed innings (eg. Viv, Ponting, Waugh, Border etc), while Bradman scores the double of that. So....
    Please refer to my last post.

    As good as Bradman was, he was not 2 times better than any ATG batsman( average-wise)
    Last edited by centurymaker; 27-03-2013 at 05:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    It's the law of diminishing returns, god! There's no way he would've sustained an average that high if he'd had played at least 3 times as much cricket in his career!

    Although he avg'd 95 over a really long FC career, you have to consider that a guy who can avg 100 in tests should be averaging easily120+ in FC against worse attacks, given his unrelenting style of batting. The fact that he didn't illustrates diminishing returns! (look at his avgs against the likes of India to get an idea of how he fared against worse attacks)

    I hope I don't have to explain this again.

    (I haven't even brought up any difference in era and stuff this time...)

    I hope you never "explain" that again too.

    Because you've "explained" nothing. You've speculated a lot.

    You've done so ridiculously inconsistently. Bradman is laughably marked down for not "easily" averaging 120 in FC cricket because of his Test average against India, but apparently gets no credit for actually performing at his best at the highest - Test match - level.

    And yet again you've applied that negative speculation to Bradman - and ONLY Bradman - in order to mark him down.
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