View Poll Results: Who is the best "Cricketer" ever

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  • Keith Miller

    1 1.33%
  • Imran Khan

    7 9.33%
  • Gary Sobers

    16 21.33%
  • Jacques Kallis

    15 20.00%
  • Don Bradman

    28 37.33%
  • WG Grace

    5 6.67%
  • Other

    3 4.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Sobers wasn't Sami or Vaas. Somewhere in between.
    James Franklin + Aamer Sohail then perhaps ?

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    Sobers was Sobers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    So if you were picking an ATG team, would you have Imran in the top 6?
    As a batsman alone?-------->Never
    As a bowler-------->First choice
    As an allrounder------->First choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4G View Post
    As a batsman alone?-------->Never
    As a bowler-------->First choice
    As an allrounder------->First choice
    My question was, would you bat him in the top 6?


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    Oddest reply.
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    Kohli. Do something in test cricket for once please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monk View Post
    my question was, would you bat him in the top 6?
    #7

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4G View Post
    Its really interesting how people disregard a players abilities based on stats alone e.g Imran's batting but when it comes to their favorite cricketer e.g Sobers' bowling they come with stuff like "Stats are not everything" or "Stats don't matter".This is purely double standards.
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    Oddest reply.
    My point was, no one had disregarded Imran's batting on stats. The opposite in fact. He did average 50ish for a decade or something, but still wasn't really a top 6 batsman because he was limited in a lot of ways.

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    Imran should bat below Gilly in an ATG XI, so that would be 8 if Sobers is 6 and Gilly is 7.

    However I can understand if people don't want Immy in their ATG XI and pick Sobers instead as the only All-rounder like cricinfo XI.
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    Yeah, look, it gives me a pain deep inside my uterus to admit it, but it's Ajmal until such time as we get a working throwing law again.
    Never in a million years would I have thought Brumby to admit this!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    My point was, no one had disregarded Imran's batting on stats. The opposite in fact. He did average 50ish for a decade or something, but still wasn't really a top 6 batsman because he was limited in a lot of ways.
    ESPN Cricinfo has Imran batting at No.6 in their ATG Pakistan XI;

    All-time XI | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

    I can only assume that this is because he averaged 61.86 over 20 innings at No.6 (mainly from 1987 onwards);

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

    However, despite scoring 2x100s and 4x50s none of those innings are particularly noteworthy except for one - his matchwinning 73 not out against the West Indies at Karachi (1990). Pakistan won the Test Match by 8 wickets;

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63540.html

    So I guess, in a normal balanced ATG team Imran would bat at 7 or 8 depending on who the keeper was. However, if the ATG team had to go for the win then there would be some justification for batting Imran higher up the order so as to strengthen the bowling attack.
    Last edited by watson; 24-04-2013 at 05:06 PM.

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    It was games like this which didn't help Sobers strike rate, but surely showed how economical he was.

    5th Test: England v West Indies at The Oval, Aug 18-22, 1966 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Wonder why he would have bolwed himself so much, with Griffith, Hall and Gibbs in the side? Could only think that he played the role of stop bolwer while the others attacked from the other end. We could only wonder how much bettter his numbers would have been if he didn't have to shoulder the load of bowling so much overs.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

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    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

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    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    My point was, no one had disregarded Imran's batting on stats. The opposite in fact. He did average 50ish for a decade or something, but still wasn't really a top 6 batsman because he was limited in a lot of ways.
    I was saying his reply was odd ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    I was saying his reply was odd ****.
    I do my best work at 4.30 am. Not in the evenings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    It was games like this which didn't help Sobers strike rate, but surely showed how economical he was.

    5th Test: England v West Indies at The Oval, Aug 18-22, 1966 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Wonder why he would have bolwed himself so much, with Griffith, Hall and Gibbs in the side? Could only think that he played the role of stop bolwer while the others attacked from the other end. We could only wonder how much bettter his numbers would have been if he didn't have to shoulder the load of bowling so much overs.
    And the amount of times you have rubbished the claim, "we can only imagine how many more wickets Akram could have claimed if Pakistan had better fielders".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    It was games like this which didn't help Sobers strike rate, but surely showed how economical he was.

    5th Test: England v West Indies at The Oval, Aug 18-22, 1966 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Wonder why he would have bolwed himself so much, with Griffith, Hall and Gibbs in the side? Could only think that he played the role of stop bolwer while the others attacked from the other end. We could only wonder how much bettter his numbers would have been if he didn't have to shoulder the load of bowling so much overs.
    His record would have been worse if he had some competition for wickets from his team mates. For someone who was thought to be a front line bowler and used as a srike bowler , he didn't take enough wickets.

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    adding to that he definitely didn't strike quick enough for a strike bowler
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

    Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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