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Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
Indeed, when people say, "Don't 'denigrate my cricketer" what they really mean is - 'Don't disgree with my cherished belief because that hurts my feelings'. To that I simply say - "Harden Up!"
But back to Sobers. When I estimate a bowler I tend to look at the batsman he dismissed. That is, did he regularly dismiss top-order ATG batsman, or were a large percentage of his wickets low quality batsman like tailenders?
The top-3 victims of Sober's bowling were Barrington (7), Boycott (7), and Edrich (6). And overall, 34.9% of his victims could be described as top-order batsman (1-3). This compares favourably to a benchmark bowler like Malcolm Marshall as 33.2% of his victims were top-order batsman.
Therefore, while the bowling Average and Strike Rate of Sobers are not anywhere near ATG status we would still have to conclude that his inherent (proven) ability to dismiss top-order batsman makes him a very desirable change-bowler indeed!
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Fred Spofforth, 'The Demon Speaks'The figures Sir Home Hordon has shown me of what Grace did in matches against me, 37 innings, 1042 runs, 28.16 average, considerably less than his general average, hears out my theory that I never had any particular difficulty in getting him out. I clean bowled him seven times, ACM Croome says that WG told him that on any wicket he never knew when I should bowl him. This may have been due in part to my artfulness......
Are you sure about that? I'd be surprised if Maco's % of top order wickets wasn't much higher than that.
Good research Watson. As usual putting in the research to support your arguments. Whether I agree with your specific argument or not, respect has to be given for that.
Last edited by kyear2; 21-04-2013 at 05:39 PM.
Separate note, anyone else surprised that Kallis is still tied with Sir Garry in the poll. Is there a growing trend on CW where Kallis is moving past Sobers?
Was just wondering. For me Sobers wins the batting comparrison hands down and as bolwers they played completely different roles in totally different conditions. Fielding and catching is as far as I am concerned is a no contest.
Of course I know they would be others with differing opinions.
Btw if Vannie Holder could make a test side as a bowler so can Sir Garry. And thats not to put down Holder either just to tell you what Sobers brought to the bowling crease as an extra to the attack!
Sobers bowling has now gone past Murali v Warne etc for most boring argument on CW.
And about time too.
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