It's a general irrationality I think to be honest along with a tendency to spout what is commonly known as bollocks.
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Isn't this just Precam or a troll of that ilk posting bollox. The rubbishing of Sobers bowling, the hero worshipping of Imran and exaggerated elevation of Viv Richards is feeding off the things that get mentioned (and ridiculed) quite often in genuine discussions.
However, regardless of his isolated average over that 10 yr period, if someone said to me "you're selecting a team, and you can have one of these guys AS A BATSMAN ONLY- Imran, Botham, Kapil or Miller", I'd choose Imran last every time.
Imran was fairly limited as a batsman. Solid technique, but not very dynamic.
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I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh
[Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran
[Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath
In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham
Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever.
And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara
ATG World XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath
Additionally to not being not much better as a batsman if bettter at all than Sobers was as a bowler he was somewhat behind as a bowler compared to Sobers as a batsman.
This is just to say that one would never find someone brilliant at everything and it's about finding the best balance and for most people that is Sobers and it better to have a less than stellar 5th bowler that a substandard #5 batsman.
btw Keith Miller himself not only said that Sobers was the best All Rounder that played the game but the best cricketer period.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
I'm not sure where this opinion that Sobers' bowling was "crap" comes from.
"I strongly feel the ICC should take action to ban the doosra since it just cannot be bowled legally. Ashley Mallett has said the 'doosra is nothing but chucking' and Australian spinners, including Shane Warne, have raised an alarm against coaching it in Australia." - BISHAN BEDI (2010)
Sobers plainly had some poor series as a bowler, 1957 in England in a series when the West Indian bowling generally was wholly undistinguished being a very good example, and he had some distinctly ordinary series elsewhere as well, but as I have already pointed out in England in particular, that first series apart, he was a highly effective and thoroughly decent bowler and he usually did a job - no Lillee or Imran I grant you, but well worth his place - tbh as a fellow lawyer I am always surprised that you don't choose your words more carefully.
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