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  • Keith Miller

    1 1.33%
  • Imran Khan

    7 9.33%
  • Gary Sobers

    16 21.33%
  • Jacques Kallis

    15 20.00%
  • Don Bradman

    28 37.33%
  • WG Grace

    5 6.67%
  • Other

    3 4.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    How is it biased. First of all I was responding to a post by Smali. The only thing that is disengenuous is the attacks because my views differs from yours.
    When I make statements, I am critisized for not supporting them, when I do, critisized because u disagree with them.
    News flash, we can have differing opnions, and I can back mine up.
    No you don't. You just spout the same nonsense again and again even when it is shown to be factually wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    No you don't. You just spout the same nonsense again and again even when it is shown to be factually wrong.
    How is it factually wrong. Everything I have said is fact, you just choose not to want to believe it.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Of course it's not. Irony is provided by those who know nothing about the subject and make no attempt to pretend that they do.
    I like cricket because it is fun.

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    I have to say that this place has improved since LT's return - the double act with sledger shows particular promise


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    A few points.

    Firstly, on the subject of Bradman.

    1. Have you seen his average against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe? He's still not out against them. #MinnowBasher

    2. Personally, I feel his lack of runs in both the IPL and Big Bash speaks volumes.

    And thirdly, his backlift came from second slip. EVERY coach will tell you that's a no-no.

    As for my vote for greatest cricketer, I'd say one of either Trumper or Hobbs.

    I may be somewhat biased against Bradman, considering I harbour resentment towards him for his treatment of Miller and Grimmett, but get over it.

    With Sobers, I think a quote from a man the more knowledgeable members of this forum will know: Don Neely. "Sobers, I feel, was a great cricketer, however he scored his runs in a boring and slow period of cricket - draws were the norm. How much can you really read into that?"

    I think that quote really proves to us that although we can make our selections for greatest cricketer of each time period (and even that is contentious), an all time greatest is an exercise in futility.
    The only (non Indian) man alive who believes The Don ISN'T the best batsman ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post

    Mr Wark is one of our own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    If we're looking at all-rounders as the greatest cricketers (in terms of contribution to their teams), I think it boils down to a select few.

    The following players would have been selected for their national teams as either batsmen OR bowlers (or wicketkeepers):

    Miller, Sobers, Jack Gregory, Botham, Gilchrist, Les Ames, Flintoff (briefly), Kapil Dev (probably would have been selected as a specialist bat even if he didn't bowl)

    Players capable of batting top 6 and either being one of the four main bowlers, or being the wicketkeeper, have been pretty rare.


    The following players would have definitely been picked for their dominant skill, but it's questionable whether they'd have been picked for their secondary skill:

    Imran, Hadlee, Davidson, Kallis, Flower, Lindwall, Benaud, Wasim


    Any I've forgotten?
    Imran wouldn't have been selected as a batsman alone? You should probably write comics than wasting your time here Sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyanash89 View Post
    There are no double standards here. Sobers was West Indies' most important batsman and was also a frontline seamer. Im not even saying this makes Sobers the better cricketer....Just pointing out how vital he was to the team in both departments and that he would be a top pick as both batsman and bowler. Imran while obviously being Pakistan's best bowler for a long time was nowhere close to being their most important or irreplacable batsman. Simple enough to understand.

    Just looked at the votes, and Kallis has the second most votes?!! Wow...kallisball indeed
    I've been following cricket closely for almost 50 years & yet to see a bowler more worst than Sobers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4G View Post
    I've been following cricket closely for almost 50 years & yet to see a bowler more worst than Sobers.
    You've not been watching the same game as the rest of us then

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    You've not been watching the same game as the rest of us then
    Its not only about what I've been watching but a statistical reality too

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4G View Post
    Its not only about what I've been watching but a statistical reality too
    That Sobers is the worst bowler you have seen is a statistical reality? Okay, I will bite. Tell me how. You can't, but try.
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    He is at worse comparable to Kallis, and we see how valuable he is to that team. Sobers bore a much greater burden and on much less responsive wickets for the most part. They were times he had to open the bowling and come back to play the role of stock bowler holding up an end and controlling the run rate, some times as a seamer sometimes as a spinner.

    Those players: Sobers, Chappell, Kallis, Hammond, (MCcabe, Simpson, Mitchell) ect are so valuable to their respective teams. Great batsmen first and foremeost who can come on and break partnerships or keep things quiet in the middle of an innings with the ball. On top of that these players were also spectacular slipfielders some times taking chances out of nothing helping to turn the tide of a match.

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