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Gavin Larsen - Quality, Average or Period Player?

Dazinho

School Boy/Girl Captain
Watching cricket in the 1990s, I thought what this guy did was incredibly difficult, and took far more skill than many appreciate.

The margin for error at the speed at which Larsen bowled is basically in the realm of milimetres.

To put the ball consistently into a tiny area that renders you difficult to get away requires seriously high levels of focus, concentration and consistency of action.

We've all used the term 'dobber' playfully, but those who scorn the art of the laser-accurate trundler should probably ponder why, if it's such an easy artform to get one's head around, did every ODI side in world cricket not have two such bowlers in their line-up?

England messed about dreadfully with all-rounders and bits/pieces players in the 1990s. A dismal and quite obvious attempt to find a Larsen clone was one of their many failed experiments.

The stats in the wicket column were usually unremarkable, and he basically averaged one per ODI, but his economy rate (even allowing for an end-of-career dip which I'll go into in a minute) was a mightily impresive 3.76.

For a bowler to choke the scoring in such a way without the menace of 'wicket-power' is IMO akin to a boxer winning title contests without the means to deliver one-punch knockdowns, or a tennis player competing at the top of the world rankings without either a rocket serve or a booming forehand.

The level of skill that goes into bowling that accurately on a consitent basis is phenomenal IMO.

His test stats are also surprisingly good, and warranted further persistance in the format. I remember his debut quite well in '94, as he plugged away without much success or support, desparately trying to claw back some of what Heath Davis had flushed down the toilet.

Something that should be stated in the interest of balance - there was a quite apparent slide in the last 12-18 months of Larsen's career as the ODI game was changing. Batsmen started consciously targeting him for the treatment, and I remember a couple of matches during the 1999 World Cup where they were operating from well outside the crease to steal the play.

Would his type of bowler be as successful today in all but favourable conditions, with a more aggressive mindset being the norm from ball one? Almost certainly not in terms of runs-per-over, although more wickets to compensate are a near certainty also.

Thoughts appreciated - thanks.
 

ganeshran

International Debutant
I remember seeing him bowl the first time in the 1996 world cup - the match where Astle scored a century.

Wasnt a remarkable bowler but had pinpoint accuracy. Quality player IMO
 

complan

Cricket Spectator
Yeah I remember Gavin Larsen. Always wondered what happened to him. But yes, he was superbly accurate and would frustrate batsmen to no end, but they sorted him out in the end, huh?

Another very accurate bowler was John Traicos, the off spinner who played for Zimbabwe in the 80s when he was close to 40. He actually played for South Africa in 69-70 against Australia if you look him up. Another bowler who could just tie down one end.
 

Migara

Cricketer Of The Year
Firstly Gavin Larsen was not slow. I've seen him crank up 137k during test matches. But he chose to be 125kish during ODIs, because it gave him maxumum amount of movement. But here and there he used to unleash a quicker ball then too.

Larsen would have been a flop on flat beds today. Would have been mighty succesful on seaming wickets and uneven wickets of SL/BAN.
 

Dazinho

School Boy/Girl Captain
Firstly Gavin Larsen was not slow. I've seen him crank up 137k during test matches. But he chose to be 125kish during ODIs, because it gave him maxumum amount of movement. But here and there he used to unleash a quicker ball then too.

Larsen would have been a flop on flat beds today. Would have been mighty succesful on seaming wickets and uneven wickets of SL/BAN.
I always thought 'right arm medium' didn't tell the full story - as you rightly say, he would mix the pace of his deliveries from slow-,medium right up to fast-medium, at least until injuries took their toll near the end of his career.

Didn't see enough of his bowling in test matches to form a view as to why he was much better than one would expect, but his stats compare very favourably with most NZ bowlers of the time.
 

Chubb

International Regular
He's now first team manager at Onslow in Wellington club cricket. Looks shorter than most bowlers... seems very driven to get the best from the seniors.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
Funny action, like he was pushing the sky away with his left palm. But I'd like to see footage where he reached 137 klicks/hr. Seems outlandish.
 

Dazinho

School Boy/Girl Captain
Funny action, like he was pushing the sky away with his left palm. But I'd like to see footage where he reached 137 klicks/hr. Seems outlandish.
Would certainly like to see the stock delivery, followed by the quicker ball, to illustrate the point.
 

Dazinho

School Boy/Girl Captain
We must be talking before about 1996/97, after which he slowed down noticably and was really nothing more than a standard medium pacer.

Can only imagine that 137kph (circa 85mph) was the odd ball here and there, and must have been the absolute limit of what he could manage off that run.

I'd think 75mph in ODIs and 80mph in tests would be closer to the mark.
 

Migara

Cricketer Of The Year
Funny action, like he was pushing the sky away with his left palm. But I'd like to see footage where he reached 137 klicks/hr. Seems outlandish.
Andrew Hall FFS bowled near 140k with his funny action. Larsen had a perfectly balanced economical action, and the pace is the last thing you note. Very similar to Abdul Razzaq in that respect. I never said he averaged 137k with the ball, but have seen some reaching that mark. He was more of late 120s in test matches.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
lol.. yeah.. kept for 49 overs in an ODI against India.. a tight last over means he gets called up to bowl.. Takes the gloves and pads off, picks the cherry and bowls 6 yorkers at 140 Ks.. Champ does not even begin to describe what he did that series.. :)
 

ImpatientLime

International Regular
England messed about dreadfully with all-rounders and bits/pieces players in the 1990s. A dismal and quite obvious attempt to find a Larsen clone was one of their many failed experiments.
They had one, he was called Mark Ealham and he was bloody effective in ODI cricket.
 

Dazinho

School Boy/Girl Captain
They had one, he was called Mark Ealham and he was bloody effective in ODI cricket.
Fair point on Ealham, who was a very good ODI player and not dissimilar to Larsen.

Was more of a dig at England team selection and the fact that they went through a few failed options both before and after Ealham,

Comment at least partially retracted.
 

jcas0167

International Debutant
Interesting post. Larsen was certainly remarkable with his consistency and a lynchpin of the successful NZ ODI team for a decade.

No doubt he would struggle more today with the bigger, lighter bats and batsmen becoming more inventive with T20. I remember Chris Harris was hugely economical with his little leg cutters through the mid 90's, but batsmen also started targeting him and he was less effective in the early 00's.

James Franklin has been reasonably effective this season bowling around Larsen's pace, but with a number of variations. Larsen was such a competitor I imagine he would have adapted to some extent.
 

thierry henry

International Coach
As noted in this thread, I think Larsen's near-uniqueness as effectively a specialist medium-slow bowler was somewhat overstated- they didn't have speedos for most of his career but I think he was mostly 120s. He was probably a lot like Scott Styris in that he was only an average height guy (which helped 'keepers stand up to the stumps to him consistently), had a meandering run-up and a compact action, but was actually sending them down at a similar speed to some of the so-called medium-fast men in the side.

Was he really that much different to Nuwan Kulasekara, for example? Difference being Kula gets the new ball and therefore we seem him swing it and bowl to attacking fields.

The man who was truly unique was Chris Harris who somehow made a success of bowling seam-up(ish) at 85-105kph.
 

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