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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Have to say Sammy looks like he's responded to the concerns about his conditioning by buying himself a couple of KFC family buckets; really think he's currently the largest I've seen him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Never understood why Patel was dropped from the England ODI set-up, his s-r down the order was getting rather good, and his bowling is dam-sight better than Roots.

    Guess it's his girth that's the problem, but it's a shame really, he's the kind of one-day performer we could do with.
    Yeah, I certainly wouldn't have taken him away from the set up, but I don't think he can get into the XI now. I basically would have had him in the Bopara role before this summer, but Ravi's done well this season and is a better bowler anyway. Disagree that Patel is a better batting option than the others, especially if you're leaving out Bell.

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    Well, as I explained above I'd have him in the side for Root. Joe unlucky, but in the end we have plenty of types like him, whilst Samit really does hit at a very high strike-rate down the order.

    Also SLA works as a better compliment to Swann or Tredders.
    Hmm, I disagree quite strongly on Root. I think his stodgy Ashes batting has given off a few misconceptions about him in the shorter forms. Before that he was working really effectively at the back end of the innings, with plenty of innovative shots and a surprising amount of power. Nagpur apart, it was really the ODI arena where Root first got his reputation, and he even used the format to stop anyway noticing that he was a bit rubbish in the tests in NZ. Even thought Compton outshone him in NZ there was still immense pressure in the first home test, because Root had been dominating the ODI arena. His three highest scores in the format have all been quality death batting. After the end of the Champions Trophy he was averaging 50 and striking in the high 80's. You won't agree of course, but I'd say he's a more similar limited overs batsman to Morgan than Cook or Bell.

    With that in mind, we really don't need more lower order hitting with Jos, Morgan and Ravi below him, even though I agree Samit was unlucky initially.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Yeah, I certainly wouldn't have taken him away from the set up, but I don't think he can get into the XI now. I basically would have had him in the Bopara role before this summer, but Ravi's done well this season and is a better bowler anyway. Disagree that Patel is a better batting option than the others, especially if you're leaving out Bell.



    Hmm, I disagree quite strongly on Root. I think his stodgy Ashes batting has given off a few misconceptions about him in the shorter forms. Before that he was working really effectively at the back end of the innings, with plenty of innovative shots and a surprising amount of power. Nagpur apart, it was really the ODI arena where Root first got his reputation, and he even used the format to stop anyway noticing that he was a bit rubbish in the tests in NZ. Even thought Compton outshone him in NZ there was still immense pressure in the first home test, because Root had been dominating the ODI arena. His three highest scores in the format have all been quality death batting. After the end of the Champions Trophy he was averaging 50 and striking in the high 80's. You won't agree of course, but I'd say he's a more similar limited overs batsman to Morgan than Cook or Bell.

    With that in mind, we really don't need more lower order hitting with Jos, Morgan and Ravi below him, even though I agree Samit was unlucky initially.
    In the end I'm happy for people to concentrate on different forms, I do realise Root is quite cute in his one-day play, but just think if they're considering him as an opening batsmen in Tests he should just consolidate in that regard. Great three innings there, but do you think bowlers might have found him out now?

    I don't really see how Ravi is a hitter either, think he's another consolidator. Which is why I'd slot him in between Morgan and Samit.

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    Ravi showed he had the ability to be a decent hitter in the lower order during the CT (28 runs in the last over and all that). Maybe it's too early to say, but I'd like to think he's turned a corner from the guy who used to plod along with a strike rate lower than any of the maligned above him...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Ravi showed he had the ability to be a decent hitter in the lower order during the CT (28 runs in the last over and all that). Maybe it's too early to say, but I'd like to think he's turned a corner from the guy who used to plod along with a strike rate lower than any of the maligned above him...
    I'm not saying he hasn't I'm saying he's a guy who can consolidate, but then accelerate, if necessary, which at that position is what is needed. If he hadn't learnt that I'd want him dropped, no matter how lovely he is/was.

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    I still don't really rate Ravi as someone who can build a proper innings consistently enough at international level to bat above six. He makes my side because he can bowl and because he can finish off an innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Have to say Sammy looks like he's responded to the concerns about his conditioning by buying himself a couple of KFC family buckets; really think he's currently the largest I've seen him.
    Yes I think his body shape has the be the main reason he's fallen out of the England set-up, and why wouldn't they drop him? He's clearly been told in the past his fitness is the main reason he gets left out yet clearly he hasn't shown any sort of willingness or dedication to keep off the pies and burgers!Can you really be so rotund and still in peak physical condition for elite level sport ? I don't think so, even dart players and snooker players are changing their fitness levels to improve their skills. It is a waste of Samit's skills though as he showed in yesterday's final he can turn a game in his team's favour either with the bat or with the ball as he demonstrated against Glamorgan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodster View Post
    Yes I think his body shape has the be the main reason he's fallen out of the England set-up, and why wouldn't they drop him? He's clearly been told in the past his fitness is the main reason he gets left out yet clearly he hasn't shown any sort of willingness or dedication to keep off the pies and burgers!Can you really be so rotund and still in peak physical condition for elite level sport ? I don't think so, even dart players and snooker players are changing their fitness levels to improve their skills. It is a waste of Samit's skills though as he showed in yesterday's final he can turn a game in his team's favour either with the bat or with the ball as he demonstrated against Glamorgan.
    You raise an interesting point. How important is peak physical shape? This may not directly relate to Patel but if a player is still good enough to be in the team on merit but doesnt work hard enough to reach their full potential, why should they be punished for 90% (or whatever) realization of their talent being better than others maxing their ability out. I must admit I kind of torn on the issue for a variety of reasons. Taking the Patel example and applying it in general to a hypothetical player, looking fat and not meeting BMI and bleep test targets should be irrelevant if they can do the job better than others. Fitness, gym, diet are all tools for improving performance but they are not themselves the objective. Performance is the only thing that should be looked at, not whether they checked certain boxes on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    You raise an interesting point. How important is peak physical shape? This may not directly relate to Patel but if a player is still good enough to be in the team on merit but doesnt work hard enough to reach their full potential, why should they be punished for 90% (or whatever) realization of their talent being better than others maxing their ability out. I must admit I kind of torn on the issue for a variety of reasons. Taking the Patel example and applying it in general to a hypothetical player, looking fat and not meeting BMI and bleep test targets should be irrelevant if they can do the job better than others. Fitness, gym, diet are all tools for improving performance but they are not themselves the objective. Performance is the only thing that should be looked at, not whether they checked certain boxes on the way.
    Yes some good points Goughy, but the key for me here is how much does Patel really want it? If he has been told his fitness condition is not high enough, whether he agrees with that as a reason for not being selected is pretty irrelevant as he knows what he has to do but hasn't got the commitment or dedication or whatever you want to view it as, to do the hard work for what is required.

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    Yeah the point is that it is a slap in the face to other England players who I am sure don't like doing the physical work and dieting, but do so because they are told to. Then you pick Samit who looks pregnant .

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    Yeah, around the time the management were admitting to leaving Samit out for fitness issues, there were plenty of other blokes who were clearly miles away from proper athletes, but became integral members of the side because they were willing to work their socks off to at least be at a serviceable level. Tim Bresnan and Michael Yardy are probably the obvious examples.

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    Gareth Cross has been released by Lancs with Jos Buttler meant to be in talks with Lancs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theegyptian View Post
    Gareth Cross has been released by Lancs with Jos Buttler meant to be in talks with Lancs.
    He will be a big miss for Somerset. Looked the part behind the sticks in the ODI series against Australia. One thing for Lancs is though, with the ODI's they might not see him for some parts of the season.

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