View Poll Results: Best After the Don

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  • Jack Hobbs

    7 7.78%
  • Wally Hammond

    1 1.11%
  • George Headley

    1 1.11%
  • Len Hutton

    2 2.22%
  • Garry Sobers

    13 14.44%
  • Sunil Gavaskar

    1 1.11%
  • Graeme Pollock

    2 2.22%
  • Greg Chappell

    1 1.11%
  • Barry Richards

    1 1.11%
  • Viv Richards

    16 17.78%
  • Sachin Tendulkar

    20 22.22%
  • Brian Lara

    6 6.67%
  • Ricky Ponting

    5 5.56%
  • Jacques Kallis

    8 8.89%
  • W.G. Grace

    4 4.44%
  • Other

    2 2.22%
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    That's plain wrong. This opinion of a journalist aside, nowhere have cricinfo endorsed Tendulkar equal or better than Bradman view in their editorials. Not on Tendulkar profile page, not in the ESPNCricinfo all time XI series, not in the ESPN legends of cricket series, nowhere. That's why cricinfo remains a more respectable site.
    Nonsense. I've brought this up several times when before Tendulkar's slump the ridiculous news cycle that circulated around Tendulkar. It still kinda persists, even now. If he scratches his ass, there are articles on whether he is the best ass-scratcher ever.

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    Not meant to be inflamatory, but looking at Ikki's signature why are those comments not seen as equally rediculous specifically Haigh's and Botham's?
    Because he's not saying Warne is greater than Bradman - and neither am I. The quote, if you had bothered to Google it, refers to Warne as a character as much as a cricketer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    The quote, if you had bothered to Google it, refers to Warne as a character as much as a cricketer.
    It seems to be missing the words "fat", "drugs", "cheat" and "philanderer". Not necessarily in that order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Nonsense. I've brought this up several times when before Tendulkar's slump the ridiculous news cycle that circulated around Tendulkar. It still kinda persists, even now. If he scratches his ass, there are articles on whether he is the best ass-scratcher ever.
    This sumps up pretty much your whole posting on this issue and why you are just relentless. You have an agenda and a specific one. You do not like the attention Sachin gets (which is very similar to the things people dislike about Viv and Warne have received, albeit in different ways) and hence go on the attach 24/7.

    I very much doubt you were saying the same things about Ponting in 2005/06 when there was an absolute flurry of media articles in this country calling him the 2nd best after Bradman when he was on his amazingly dominant run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    It seems to be missing the words "fat", "drugs", "cheat" and "philanderer". Not necessarily in that order.
    and "liar" - I mean, he denies having any plastic surgery or facelift.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    and "liar" - I mean, he denies having any plastic surgery or facelift.

    He might be telling the truth though. At the very least it looks like plastic the plastic surgery was performed by Kamran Akmal
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

    Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Nonsense. I've brought this up several times when before Tendulkar's slump the ridiculous news cycle that circulated around Tendulkar. It still kinda persists, even now. If he scratches his ass, there are articles on whether he is the best ass-scratcher ever.

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    You're honestly jealous of Tendulkar's popularity?
    Atleast that's what I took from that sentence. What does the amount of attention Tendulkar get have anything to do with the topic and why does it bother you? I don't think Cricinfo have published anything in the past suggesting they thought Tendulkar was a greater batsman than Bradman, or even his equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Nonsense. I've brought this up several times when before Tendulkar's slump the ridiculous news cycle that circulated around Tendulkar. It still kinda persists, even now. If he scratches his ass, there are articles on whether he is the best ass-scratcher ever.
    I mentioned places where there was opportunity for endorsing Tendulkar as equal to or better than Bradman, but cricinfo did not do that. You can check out each of those article. It's very obvious to the reader that they are making a conscious effort not to spur on the Tendulkar fanboys while still lavishing praise on Tendulkar that he deserves.

    You on the other have showed me nothing.

    FWIW, I know at least one columnist in cricinfo personally. He is an Indian and is generally a Tendulkar critic (reactionary critic if you like).

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    In my opinion, Viv Richards is better than 3rd best batsman ever by as much margin as Bradman is better than 2nd best batsman ever(Viv Richards).For anyone who followed cricket closely during 1970s & 1980s Richards is closest thing to Bradman. Hobbs, Headley & Lara despite being great are nowhere near to be as good as Richards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    This sumps up pretty much your whole posting on this issue and why you are just relentless. You have an agenda and a specific one. You do not like the attention Sachin gets (which is very similar to the things people dislike about Viv and Warne have received, albeit in different ways) and hence go on the attach 24/7.

    I very much doubt you were saying the same things about Ponting in 2005/06 when there was an absolute flurry of media articles in this country calling him the 2nd best after Bradman when he was on his amazingly dominant run.
    Yes, it would bother me just as much. Perhaps its because you like the attention on him that you don't realise the exaggeration of someone who is basically on par with 3-4 other batsmen during his career gets an absurd proportion of attention and adulation.

    Ponting at his peak (averaging near 60 overall) got nowhere near this much attention. I should know, because I was one of those who actually started asking questions of posters where they rated him with respect to Tendulkar. I remember having a discussion with Manan who said Ponting would have to average 65 (!) for Manan to consider him superior - and Manan is a pretty logical/reasonable poster. This was also at a time where Tendulkar's average was plummeting. And even then...was Ponting considered better than Bradman? Give me a ****ing break dude, its not even close.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    I mentioned places where there was opportunity for endorsing Tendulkar as equal to or better than Bradman, but cricinfo did not do that. You can check out each of those article. It's very obvious to the reader that they are making a conscious effort not to spur on the Tendulkar fanboys while still lavishing praise on Tendulkar that he deserves.

    You on the other have showed me nothing.

    FWIW, I know at least one columnist in cricinfo personally. He is an Indian and is generally a Tendulkar critic (reactionary critic if you like).
    There is no instance where Tendulkar can be endorsed as better than Bradman, what are you talking about? How can you show an instance which doesn't exist?

    And re-read I said sites like Cricinfo, which is just one site. Or are you seriously contesting that there haven't been comparisons made between Tendulkar and Bradman at all?

    Let's cut the crap: he is one of the greatest batsmen of all time but due to the fact that he is Indian (and the adulation they have for him) he will get far more clicks than any other cricketer. In fact, Cricinfo ran an article saying that Tendulkar was so popular that he crashed the site. Other than the fact that he is Indian, his talent/ability does not put him on a different stratosphere to explain the constant news barrage; as there are at least 3 other batsman during his own career which are comparable - and several other cricketers who aren't specialist batsmen. Imagine if he was a controversial figure or sent texts
    Last edited by Ikki; 18-04-2013 at 06:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyanash89 View Post
    You're honestly jealous of Tendulkar's popularity?
    Atleast that's what I took from that sentence. What does the amount of attention Tendulkar get have anything to do with the topic and why does it bother you? I don't think Cricinfo have published anything in the past suggesting they thought Tendulkar was a greater batsman than Bradman, or even his equal.
    No, I am just a critic of the disproportionate amount of praise and attention he gets. If you bring it up and mention that it is because he is Indian...you have an agenda, or hate the guy.

    Unfortunately, some people take the fact that media sites focus on a player (and they do so largely for hits as well as real news) as legitimising their opinion that the player is as good or as important as they think. I'm Persian, I remember an article naming Ali Daei in the top 100 football players of all time. The Iranian fans LOVED to believe it, and ate up any special adulation they got...but the truth is he isn't even in the top 100 players that played in the Bundesliga. But because Ali Daei was their "hero"...bringing it up meant you had a personal problem with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    There is no instance where Tendulkar can be endorsed as better than Bradman, what are you talking about? How can you show an instance which doesn't exist?

    And re-read I said sites like Cricinfo, which is just one site. Or are you seriously contesting that there haven't been comparisons made between Tendulkar and Bradman at all?

    My bad. People like Ikki post such crap that it's sometimes difficult to decipher such posts. (Yeah that makes a lot of sense!)

    A reminder : it is cricinfo that is running the feature on "Best AFTER Bradman". They can't do anything more to endorse Bradman as the greatest batsman. So you should have no reason to criticize sites like cricinfo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    It is cricinfo that is running the feature on "Best AFTER Bradman". They can't do anything more to endorse Bradman as the greatest batsman. So you should have no reason to criticize sites like cricinfo.
    True.

    Completely separate from this, in the wisden poll of the five greatest cricketers of the century in the 90s, I remember reading that one of the experts did not have Bradman in his list of five. Any idea as to who it was? Or is my memory just going downhill already?
    If you were that old, and that kind, and the very last of your kind, you couldn't just stand back and watch children cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    Touche.

    By the way, Dickie Bird's All Time Test XI apparently is:

    Barry Richards
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Vivian Richards
    Graeme Pollock
    Greg Chappell
    Garry Sobers
    Imran Khan
    Alan Knott
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Lance Gibbs

    What in the world is Gibbs doing there?? I think this is a team of players who he has actually seen play, so Don, Hobbs, Grace, Hutton, Barnes, Headley, Hammond, Miller were disqualified. But why Gibbs?

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    so you are copy pasting posts across threads harsh

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