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  • Jack Hobbs

    7 7.78%
  • Wally Hammond

    1 1.11%
  • George Headley

    1 1.11%
  • Len Hutton

    2 2.22%
  • Garry Sobers

    13 14.44%
  • Sunil Gavaskar

    1 1.11%
  • Graeme Pollock

    2 2.22%
  • Greg Chappell

    1 1.11%
  • Barry Richards

    1 1.11%
  • Viv Richards

    16 17.78%
  • Sachin Tendulkar

    20 22.22%
  • Brian Lara

    6 6.67%
  • Ricky Ponting

    5 5.56%
  • Jacques Kallis

    8 8.89%
  • W.G. Grace

    4 4.44%
  • Other

    2 2.22%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Tom View Post
    Have you seen Shane Warne's Ashes squad?
    Nah, I haven't.

    It seems as though, when choosing an ATG XI, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards and Sobers are always included.. just what I've observed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    I still believe that you can compare Bradman and Grace, but this is not the time to pick over that one again.

    As to the best Watson makes a valid point - having seen him a few times in action, and rather more often on TV, I can't believe there has ever been a better batsman than Barry Richards

    But ignoring Grace who is the second greatest? I'd go for Len Hutton just, from Garry Sobers
    Interesting that you go for Hutton over Hobbs in particular.
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    Articles like this are worth it just for the comments section below IMO.
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    Thought Tendulkar was supposed to be the greatest ever? That argument has been used before so Don is the 2nd best surely?


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    I go for Viv Richards. One of the greats, coupling a high averaging with an impressive strike-rate. Was fantastic in Tests + WSC and is lauded by all and sundry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    Articles like this are worth it just for the comments section below IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Thought Tendulkar was supposed to be the greatest ever? That argument has been used before so Don is the 2nd best surely?
    Pretty much captures the essence of a lot of the comments I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    Pretty much captures the essence of a lot of the comments I'm talking about.
    Difference is i am taking the piss but many are serious when they say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Interesting that you go for Hutton over Hobbs in particular.
    Largely on the basis of his missing his best years and then achieving most of what he did after his wartime injury - would be fascinating to have seen the shoot out between him and Bradman in 40/41

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    He also played on the most placid home tracks and the most of any of those listed againts minnows. It balances out.
    Na, I've always found that logic to be stupid, completely unfair and meaningless. You could just as easily say that every Indian batsman has probably missed out on scoring tons of runs against **** Indian bowlers. It's no coincidence that virtually every great batsman, apart from a handful average something ridiculous against India.


    I picked Tendulkar.. Best batsman I've had the pleasure of watching, just a smidgen ahead of Lara. He's, at various stages of his career dominated attacks, carried the team on his shoulders for many years in the 90s, averaged nearly 60 after facing a decade of high quality bowling, scored runs against the best attacks, and hasn't been mediocre anywhere. He's done it all for almost two and a half decades and done it with great beauty and flair too. Doesn't matter that he's been **** for a while now, nor does it matter that I haven't been a fan of his attitude since the world cup... he's provided more special memories to cricket fans than any other batsman of the last few generations.
    The fact that I'm Indian obviously brings in a teensy bit of bias too, which makes it a given that I'd pick him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    He also played on the most placid home tracks and the most of any of those listed againts minnows. It balances out.
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    So why don't the SC bowlers get extra points for bowling well on these most placid of tracks?
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    pitches in the subcontinent are mostly flat but also low on bounce and sometimes uneven not really conducive for hit through the line kind of batting which Tendulkar likes. Indian tracks are not similar to flat tracks in Australia or England (when Richards made those mountain of runs in 76) where a batsman can hit through the line. Ask Tendulkar he would prefer the flat tracks of Aus, Eng, NZ than India. may be that is the reason why his average in India is less than in Eng and Aus.
    Last edited by doesitmatter; 19-03-2013 at 09:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    So why don't the SC bowlers get extra points for bowling well on these most placid of tracks?
    So Indian wickets arn't flat?

    Will resist the temptation to answer the broader question of sc bowlers.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    So Indian wickets arn't flat?

    Will resist the temptation to answer the broader question of sc bowlers.
    The point is that if Indian batsmen get penalized for scoring mountains of runs on flat tracks then the bowlers should get extra points for getting wickets on those same flat tracks. You can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    So why don't the SC bowlers get extra points for bowling well on these most placid of tracks?
    Because they are not Marshall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I'd definitely include Barry Richards and Graham Pollock had they played more tests.

    I think Barry Richards is most probably the second greatest batsman of all time. But 4 tests isn't enough.
    I guess my criterion has been very simple (perhaps too simple).. Barry was a better bat than Viv, more complete, more joyous to watch, so Viv cannot be the second best. Watching Barry bat gave you the right kind of happiness, Viv gave you a slightly cruder (hollower?) form of happiness (I know I will be mocked for this). Sobers was the most dashing left hander I ever saw, so Pollock and Lara cannot be the second greatest. Hobbs' record is just astounding, and I have no way to rule him out. Tendulkar because he gave me an immense amount of joy, and as an Indian, it is impossible to take that bias out even if I try

    P.S. Not going to consider Grace, because then we might as well close this thread, and start a new one!
    Last edited by harsh.ag; 19-03-2013 at 10:23 AM.
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