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  • Jack Hobbs

    7 7.78%
  • Wally Hammond

    1 1.11%
  • George Headley

    1 1.11%
  • Len Hutton

    2 2.22%
  • Garry Sobers

    13 14.44%
  • Sunil Gavaskar

    1 1.11%
  • Graeme Pollock

    2 2.22%
  • Greg Chappell

    1 1.11%
  • Barry Richards

    1 1.11%
  • Viv Richards

    16 17.78%
  • Sachin Tendulkar

    20 22.22%
  • Brian Lara

    6 6.67%
  • Ricky Ponting

    5 5.56%
  • Jacques Kallis

    8 8.89%
  • W.G. Grace

    4 4.44%
  • Other

    2 2.22%
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    It almost seems as though its about time we conduct a weldone (think it was him) like thread where we vote publicly on the best batsman, then vote on the second best bat and so on and on and on until we get to say Mark Waugh.

    I find it hard to nominate the best after Don as a number of bats have positive reasons to vote for them and if you look close enough, negatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    It almost seems as though its about time we conduct a weldone (think it was him) like thread where we vote publicly on the best batsman, then vote on the second best bat and so on and on and on until we get to say Mark Waugh.

    I find it hard to nominate the best after Don as a number of bats have positive reasons to vote for them and if you look close enough, negatives.
    Thats a lot of batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post

    I find it hard to nominate the best after Don as a number of bats have positive reasons to vote for them and if you look close enough, negatives.
    Thought it'd be interesting to list any "weaknesses" these guys had (or supposedly had). Feel free to add, or tell me I'm wrong...


    Jack Hobbs- played in a very batsman friendly era.
    Wally Hammond-
    George Headley- played against weakened sides.
    Len Hutton
    Garry Sobers- batted down the order
    Sunil Gavaskar- rated highly against the WIs, but it's perhaps a bit of a myth, as he didn't get extensively tested against the 4 quicks.
    Graeme Pollock- not many tests
    Greg Chappell-
    Barry Richards- lack of tests
    Viv Richards-
    Sachin Tendulkar-
    Brian Lara-
    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin
    Jacques Kallis-
    W.G. Grace- hard to judge early era

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post

    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin
    Definitely disagree with that. He just had a bit of a mental block against Harbhajan imo. He handled Murali auperbly on several occasions. Still find it impossible to come up with a solid reason why Ponting failed time and time again in India, it's always baffled me.


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    My additions to your list:

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Thought it'd be interesting to list any "weaknesses" these guys had (or supposedly had). Feel free to add, or tell me I'm wrong...
    Jack Hobbs- played in a very batsman friendly era. [Not really, before WW1 he was the only one who averaged around 55, while no one else crossed 45]

    Wally Hammond- []

    George Headley- played against weakened sides.

    Len Hutton

    Garry Sobers- batted down the order [Not really, he batted even better at 3 & 4. The team preferred him at down the order]

    Sunil Gavaskar- rated highly against the WIs, but it's perhaps a bit of a myth, as he didn't get extensively tested against the 4 quicks. [Agree]

    Graeme Pollock- not many tests

    Greg Chappell-

    Barry Richards- lack of tests

    Viv Richards-

    Sachin Tendulkar-

    Brian Lara- [In the middle of his career he had a horrible slump, in the middle of which he produced the greatest batting performance of modern times : ****ing magnificent enigma, Also struggled against extreme pace especially against two Ws, Donald]

    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin [8 years of awesomeness surrounded by 4 years of mediocrity at start and at end of the career]

    Jacques Kallis- [Great batsman, but it is telling that when the team is at their best as in 2008, or as in 2011 onwards : the key batsman were Smith (2008) and Amla, ABDV (2011 + ). ]

    W.G. Grace- hard to judge early era [Best by a long distance during his time]

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    Jack Hobbs- played in a very batsman friendly era that was short of quality fast bowlers. That is, Gregory and McDonald only
    Wally Hammond- See Hobbs
    George Headley- played against weakened sides.
    Len Hutton - defence orientated. Rarely went on the attack.
    Garry Sobers- batted down the order
    Sunil Gavaskar- rated highly against the WIs, but it's perhaps a bit of a myth, as he didn't get extensively tested against the 4 quicks.
    Graeme Pollock- not many tests
    Greg Chappell- None
    Barry Richards- lack of tests
    Viv Richards- None
    Sachin Tendulkar- Yet to dominate a series?
    Brian Lara- None
    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin
    Jacques Kallis- Yet to dominate a series?
    W.G. Grace- hard to judge early era
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    well sachin clearly dominated HowSTAT! Player Progressive Batting

    and kallis did have that series against the wi when he scored 4 tons in 4 matches. and you know, the kallisball series http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistic...43&Series=0616
    Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Thats a lot of batsmen.
    Under 100. Do 2 a day and we've got it finished before his birthday.

    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Jack Hobbs- played in a very batsman friendly era that was short of quality fast bowlers. That is, Gregory and McDonald only
    Wally Hammond- See Hobbs
    George Headley- played against weakened sides.
    Len Hutton - defence orientated. Rarely went on the attack.
    Garry Sobers- batted down the order
    Sunil Gavaskar- rated highly against the WIs, but it's perhaps a bit of a myth, as he didn't get extensively tested against the 4 quicks.
    Graeme Pollock- not many tests
    Greg Chappell- None
    Barry Richards- lack of tests
    Viv Richards- None
    Sachin Tendulkar- Yet to dominate a series?
    Brian Lara- None
    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin
    Jacques Kallis- Yet to dominate a series?
    W.G. Grace- hard to judge early era
    Kallis has dominated series for sure.
    Last edited by NUFAN; 24-03-2013 at 12:38 AM.

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    I reckon I could name 100 better batsmen I thought were better than Mark Waugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I reckon I could name 100 better batsmen I thought were better than Mark Waugh.
    Do it, I dare you, but it would be debatable and not really the point. What team did Waugh make in the World Game last year? I know his brilliant fielding and bit of off spin helped him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Jack Hobbs- played in a very batsman friendly era that was short of quality fast bowlers. That is, Gregory and McDonald only
    Wally Hammond- See Hobbs
    George Headley- played against weakened sides.
    Len Hutton - defence orientated. Rarely went on the attack.
    Garry Sobers- batted down the order
    Sunil Gavaskar- rated highly against the WIs, but it's perhaps a bit of a myth, as he didn't get extensively tested against the 4 quicks.
    Graeme Pollock- not many tests
    Greg Chappell- None
    Barry Richards- lack of tests
    Viv Richards- None
    Sachin Tendulkar- Yet to dominate a series?
    Brian Lara- None
    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin
    Jacques Kallis- Yet to dominate a series?
    W.G. Grace- hard to judge early era
    Hammond and Hobbs- batsman friendly era, though that's hardly a criticism.. Just the circumstances ...
    Same for Headley facing weak attacks
    Hutton - Seemed to have been a more defensive minded batsman, so that is an ever so slight negative when compared to other ATGs
    Gavaskar- Legendary figure in my childhood but his exploits against WI are so overrated it's not funny. Against the famous quartet he did no better than others in the era. The Hutton criticism probably applies here too.

    Chappell- More I think about his record, the more complete it seems. Don't know if he's actually dominated a series, might have to do some research

    B. Richards and Pollock obviously didn't ay enough.

    Viv Richards - probably struggled against quality spin more than Ponting tbh... Still a great player of spin obviously

    Love Lara, but he had a spell of around 5 years in the late 90s where he was ridiculously inconsistent. Long patches of mediocrity with absolute genius sprinkled in here and there. He slump was so bad his average sipped to 47 at one point iirc

    Sachin dominating a series? 1998 vs Australia probably the closest one.. Scored two of his best hundreds at a great pace against Warne.

    Kallis- Hardly any truly memorable awe inspiring knocks. I rate him very highly but I'm trying very very hard to remember the kind of amazing knocks Lara, Ponting, Sachin have played over the years and very few come to mind that truly measure up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    well sachin clearly dominated HowSTAT! Player Progressive Batting

    and kallis did have that series against the wi when he scored 4 tons in 4 matches. and you know, the kallisball series HowSTAT! Player Progressive Batting
    Sachin had an impressive list of knocks in the 3 Test series for sure. However, Kasprowicz appears to be the 'spearhead', so where was Glenn McGrath at the time?

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    As for Kallis' 2010-11 series against India - well, Sreenath et al were bowling pies at the time.
    Last edited by watson; 24-03-2013 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Jack Hobbs- played in a very batsman friendly era that was short of quality fast bowlers. That is, Gregory and McDonald only
    Wally Hammond- See Hobbs
    George Headley- played against weakened sides.
    Len Hutton - defence orientated. Rarely went on the attack.
    Garry Sobers- batted down the order
    Sunil Gavaskar- rated highly against the WIs, but it's perhaps a bit of a myth, as he didn't get extensively tested against the 4 quicks.
    Graeme Pollock- not many tests
    Greg Chappell- None
    Barry Richards- lack of tests
    Viv Richards- None
    Sachin Tendulkar- Yet to dominate a series?
    Brian Lara- None
    Ricky Ponting- susceptible to quality spin
    Jacques Kallis- Yet to dominate a series?
    W.G. Grace- hard to judge early era
    Richards really dropped off towards the end of his career. You can't honestly say Lara has no faults, he was remarkably inconsistent at times. Gotta agree about Chappell though. Never heard anything bad about his batting.
    Last edited by Coronis; 24-03-2013 at 01:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Sachin had an impressive list of knocks in the 3 Test series for sure. However, Kasprowitz appears to be the 'spearhead', so where was Glenn McGrath at the time?

    Australia in India: Feb - Mar 1998
    Well if you want him to dominate a series against the best team in history at their peak when all their top bowlers are fit and playing, it's very unfair. Pretty much no one apart from Lara has done that

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    Kallis's best was the one against england in 2004/2005. He hit 3 tons in 4 tests. All were against an attack that went on to win the ashes few months later.
    Last edited by akilana; 24-03-2013 at 01:38 AM.

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