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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Left Handed ATXIs for all teams

    My rules are - Specialist batsmen have to bat left handed and cannot bowl if they are right arm bowlers. Specialist bowlers have to be left arm bowlers, but are allowed to bat right handed. All rounders must be lefties in both capacities, otherwise can only be used for batting. Left arm bowling all rounders who batted right handed are not allowed here.

    So, here we go


    England: Alastair Cook | John Edrich | David Gower | Eddie Paynter | Graham Thrope | Frank Woolley | Jack Russell (w) | Ryan Sidebottom | Derek Underwood | Johnny Wardle | William Voce

    Closest: Marcus Trescothick, Maurice Leyland, Hedley Verity. I could have had an English attack with 3 spinners and Verity is definitely better than Sidebottom, but I felt there needed to be another pacer, and there wasn't anybody apart from Sidebottom and Mullaly.


    What are your teams?

    I don't think I could improve on your England team. My first thought was that there must be better pace options, but I could only think of John Lever who isn't really a definite improvement on Sidebottom.

    Apart from that, was Ken Higgs a leftie?.

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    Nope.

    If the rules were a little different to allow FR Foster a pace attack of Foster, Voce and Clark would be v good. Even better when rounded out by any 2 of the great left arm spinners Eng have produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    I don't think I could improve on your England team. My first thought was that there must be better pace options, but I could only think of John Lever who isn't really a definite improvement on Sidebottom.

    Frank Foster, George Hirst.
    Both could bat as well.
    And how was Wilfred Rhodes left (pun intended) out of the original team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggy_Bear View Post
    Frank Foster, George Hirst.
    Both could bat as well.
    And how was Wilfred Rhodes left (pun intended) out of the original team?
    All three of Foster, Hirst and Rhodes cannot be included since they are all rounders who bat right handed. Foster and Hirst have triple centuries at the FC level. Had they been lefties, then Foster would be on this team for sure. I would still take Underwood and Wardle above Rhodes though.

    Regard Nobby Clark, too small a sample size. Seems he had a weak temperament, or maybe was just another good bowler screwed over by the English establishment. Not against him replacing Sidebottom though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    All three of Foster, Hirst and Rhodes cannot be included since they are all rounders who bat right handed. Foster and Hirst have triple centuries at the FC level. Had they been lefties, then Foster would be on this team for sure. I would still take Underwood and Wardle above Rhodes though.

    Regard Nobby Clark, too small a sample size. Seems he had a weak temperament, or maybe was just another good bowler screwed over by the English establishment. Not against him replacing Sidebottom though.


    Must admit I missed the bit about all-rounders, although I'd argue that, at test level, Foster wasn't really regarded as an all-rounder, more a bowler who could bat. A bit like Maurice Tate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggy_Bear View Post
    Must admit I missed the bit about all-rounders, although I'd argue that, at test level, Foster wasn't really regarded as an all-rounder, more a bowler who could bat. A bit like Maurice Tate.
    Yeah, Foster's Test batting record is awful. But I cannot allow myself to include an FC triple centurion. Nobby Clark or Sidebottom is the issue for me.

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    My crack at an Australian team...

    - Bill Lawry
    - Arthur Morris
    - Clem Hill
    - Neil Harvey
    - Allan Border
    - Mike Hussey
    - Adam Gilchrist
    - Alan Davidson
    - Bruce Reid
    - Bill Johnston
    - Bert Ironmonger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    My crack at an Australian team...

    - Bill Lawry
    - Arthur Morris
    - Clem Hill
    - Neil Harvey
    - Allan Border
    - Mike Hussey
    - Adam Gilchrist
    - Alan Davidson
    - Bruce Reid
    - Bill Johnston
    - Bert Ironmonger
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    Gary Gilmour for Bruce Reid. Neither have great records but Gilmour is more gifted and more likely to survive leprosy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    I don't think I could improve on your England team. My first thought was that there must be better pace options, but I could only think of John Lever who isn't really a definite improvement on Sidebottom.

    Apart from that, was Ken Higgs a leftie?.
    Yeah, was about to post the same. Lever for Sidebottom.

    Verity for Wardle as well. Wardle has a wonderful record but Verity is Yorkshire cricketing royalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    Ha ha, a great side mate (though I'd personally find a place for Hayden) but unquestionably my favourite element of the team is that there are three such genuine number 11s that Bruce Reid bats at 9.
    I know! Very true. Johnston, Reid and Ironmonger are probably Australia's three ****test test batsmen ever! I just couldn't bring myself to include Mitchell Johnson to bolster the batting. Maybe Starceh in a few years time...

    Couldn't quite squeeze Hayden in either. Tbh, I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm a massive fan of Bill Lawry, and I've met Arthur Morris twice, and he's one of the greatest guys ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I know! Very true. Johnston, Reid and Ironmonger are probably Australia's three ****test test batsmen ever! I just couldn't bring myself to include Mitchell Johnson to bolster the batting. Maybe Starceh in a few years time...

    Couldn't quite squeeze Hayden in either. Tbh, I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm a massive fan of Bill Lawry, and I've met Arthur Morris twice, and he's one of the greatest guys ever.
    Let's not forget Johnston averaged over a 100 on a tour of England
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I know! Very true. Johnston, Reid and Ironmonger are probably Australia's three ****test test batsmen ever! I just couldn't bring myself to include Mitchell Johnson to bolster the batting. Maybe Starceh in a few years time...

    Couldn't quite squeeze Hayden in either. Tbh, I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm a massive fan of Bill Lawry, and I've met Arthur Morris twice, and he's one of the greatest guys ever.
    It's an interesting exercise to compare and contrast Lawry and Hayden. While I agree Hayden is the greater batsman because of his volume of runs, I believe Lawry to be the better batsman.

    I can't imagine Hayden wandering down the track to belt Hall, Griffith, or Trueman over long-on and long-off. Also, repeatedly sweeping Kumble and Harbie over square-leg is one thing, but combating Bedi, Chandra, and Prasanna is another. In comparison to Lawry, Hayden's runs were easier. And when he did face a decent English bowling attack in 2005 he failed in 4 out of 5 Tests.
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