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    Sorry...and thanks

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    For 1934 its

    Farnes 32-32-1
    Geary 28-20-1
    Hammond 107-109-1
    Verity 356-153-2
    Mitchell 74-65-0
    Bowes 178-130-2
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    Thanks much (I think Bowes got him 3 times though). Either way I've got some sums to re do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Thanks much (I think Bowes got him 3 times though). Either way I've got some sums to re do.
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    I am, thougg barely. Off to bed now very contented so thanks again. Will go through my stuff replacing estimated with actual figures in the next few days. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic View Post
    Larwood in matches without Bradman: 10T, 37 wkts @ 23.18

    Larwood in matches with Bradman: 11T, 41 wkts @ 33.02

    What's interesting is that he got the same number of wkts per match, but went for 10 more runs per wkt when Bradman played


    Tate in matches without Bradman: 30T, 127 wkts @ 22.92

    Tate in matches with Bradman: 9T, 28 wkts @ 40.82
    Is't that a bit misleading as most of the games he played without Bradman were againts minnows of the era? They were only two good teams and he was on one.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Is't that a bit misleading as most of the games he played without Bradman were againts minnows of the era? They were only two good teams and he was on one.
    He played 15 of his 21 Tests against Australia, 10 of them on the roads in Australia that led to their having no quicks of note for 20 years - he played once against a real minnow, New Zealand, he didn't bowl in that game

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    1934 isn't quite so easy as he does it on a match by match basis - If Archie doesn't come up with the goods before his bedtime I'll do the sums for you when I have a few minutes this afternoon
    I didn't realise that, saved me some work, so thanks for that

    Just on the Fender books, I have manged to find copies with DJs for all his books except the 1920-21. Have you ever spotted a copy with a DJ?
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post

    Just on the Fender books, I have manged to find copies with DJs for all his books except the 1920-21. Have you ever spotted a copy with a DJ?
    Yes but sadly I missed the chance to buy it - effectively it's just a plain piece of paper with the same design as the cloth boards

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    He played 15 of his 21 Tests against Australia, 10 of them on the roads in Australia that led to their having no quicks of note for 20 years - he played once against a real minnow, New Zealand, he didn't bowl in that game
    Thanks.

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    The description minnow in this context is just as silly and meaningless as the term ATG. The stats against the post and pre war bowlers in this selection show the WI and SA over both eras were comparable and none were minnows. Far from it. Though a level lower again, neither could any other side (apart from the possible exceptions of NZ and India in the 50s) could be compared in awfulness as the ZIm and BD of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    The description minnow in this context is just as silly and meaningless as the term ATG. The stats against the post and pre war bowlers in this selection show the WI and SA over both eras were comparable and none were minnows. Far from it. Though a level lower again, neither could any other side (apart from the possible exceptions of NZ and India in the 50s) could be compared in awfulness as the ZIm and BD of today.
    I've always thought of them more comparable to the current West Indian side or the pre-political-turmoil Zimbabwe side. Sure they usually lost to good opposition but they each had a few world class players that made them challenging to perform against for each individual player. Essentially just at the bottom end of the Test class level rather than seeming an entirely different level of cricket altogether like true minnows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Yes but sadly I missed the chance to buy it - effectively it's just a plain piece of paper with the same design as the cloth boards
    Oh no, I know that feeling. A few times Mrs Mac has stopped me buying books only for me to regret it

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    The description minnow in this context is just as silly and meaningless as the term ATG. The stats against the post and pre war bowlers in this selection show the WI and SA over both eras were comparable and none were minnows. Far from it. Though a level lower again, neither could any other side (apart from the possible exceptions of NZ and India in the 50s) could be compared in awfulness as the ZIm and BD of today.
    Definition of minnows.

    Batting and bowling averages of Index was calculated one taking parellel mean and other taking the product.

    Here are the results:
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    Bangladesh								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    2000s 	 	18.95	53.19	33.13	33.22	0.57	0.62	0.6	0.6
    								
    India								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1930s 	 	22.04	38.4	31.61	31.94	0.7	0.83	0.76	0.76
    1940s 	 	24.66	46.67	36.25	34	0.68	0.73	0.7	0.7
    1950s 	 	26.45	35.09	27.53	27.68	0.96	0.79	0.87	0.87
    1960s 	 	28.06	34.14	31.3	31.8	0.9	0.93	0.91	0.91
    1970s 	 	30.05	33.4	30.9	31.64	0.97	0.95	0.96	0.96
    1980s 	 	32.13	36.39	30.17	31.42	1.06	0.86	0.96	0.96
    1990s 	 	33.1	33.46	29.09	31.3	1.14	0.94	1.03	1.04
    2000s 	 	35.34	34.78	31.53	33.94	1.12	0.98	1.05	1.05
    								
    New Zealand								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1930s 	 	23.78	46.03	31.73	31.38	0.75	0.68	0.71	0.72
    1940s 	 	30.11	42.11	34.56	35.01	0.87	0.83	0.85	0.85
    1950s 	 	18.73	38	28.45	27.86	0.66	0.73	0.69	0.7
    1960s 	 	22.66	31.79	32.06	32.14	0.71	1.01	0.85	0.86
    1970s 	 	26.05	38.95	31.34	31.22	0.83	0.8	0.82	0.82
    1980s 	 	27.82	30.38	30.8	32.31	0.9	1.06	0.98	0.98
    1990s 	 	27.44	36	29.73	30.98	0.92	0.86	0.89	0.89
    2000s 	 	29.76	33.76	32.14	34.06	0.93	1.01	0.97	0.97
    								
    Pakistan								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1950s 	 	24.42	30.1	27.68	28.41	0.88	0.94	0.91	0.91
    1960s 	 	27.41	35.72	31.13	31.86	0.88	0.89	0.89	0.89
    1970s 	 	33.13	33.52	30.46	31.71	1.09	0.95	1.01	1.02
    1980s 	 	33.69	30.68	29.98	32.36	1.12	1.05	1.09	1.09
    1990s 	 	29.03	28.52	29.51	31.9	0.98	1.12	1.05	1.05
    2000s 	 	33.3	34.79	31.81	33.96	1.05	0.98	1.01	1.01
    								
    South Africa								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1880s 	 	7	22.95	18.91	19.17	0.37	0.84	0.56	0.6
    1890s 	 	10.85	25.65	25.85	25.15	0.42	0.98	0.64	0.7
    1900s 	 	22.24	21.65	24.11	25.39	0.92	1.17	1.04	1.05
    1910s 	 	21.16	33.14	29.43	24.02	0.72	0.72	0.72	0.72
    1920s 	 	26.2	34.15	33.69	33.03	0.78	0.97	0.87	0.87
    1930s 	 	26.7	38.12	32.02	31.24	0.83	0.82	0.83	0.83
    1940s 	 	30.64	42.97	34.92	34.3	0.88	0.8	0.84	0.84
    1950s 	 	24.81	28.78	27.73	28.51	0.89	0.99	0.94	0.94
    1960s 	 	31.65	30.26	30.74	32.28	1.03	1.07	1.05	1.05
    1970s 	 	38.67	21.12	30.68	32.05	1.26	1.52	1.38	1.39
    1980s 								
    1990s 	 	31.64	27.05	29.24	32.02	1.08	1.18	1.13	1.13
    2000s 	 	35.87	30.97	31.45	34.5	1.14	1.11	1.13	1.13
    								
    Sri Lanka								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1980s 	 	24.22	39.53	30.89	31.75	0.78	0.8	0.79	0.79
    1990s 	 	28.9	35.67	29.51	31.12	0.98	0.87	0.92	0.93
    2000s 	 	34.58	29.57	31.67	34.57	1.09	1.17	1.13	1.13
    								
    West Indies								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1920s 	 	16.1	40.32	32.53	33.12	0.49	0.82	0.64	0.66
    1930s 	 	24.6	35.34	32.04	31.82	0.77	0.9	0.83	0.83
    1940s 	 	42.89	31.2	33.41	35.88	1.28	1.15	1.21	1.22
    1950s 	 	33.74	31.2	26.31	28.06	1.28	0.9	1.07	1.09
    1960s 	 	33.66	31.81	30.37	32.16	1.11	1.01	1.06	1.06
    1970s 	 	34.54	33.49	30.09	31.61	1.15	0.94	1.04	1.05
    1980s 	 	33.05	25.02	30.03	33.69	1.1	1.35	1.22	1.22
    1990s 	 	27.89	29.23	29.66	31.83	0.94	1.09	1.01	1.01
    2000s 	 	28	38.49	32.51	33.5	0.86	0.87	0.87	0.87
    								
    Zimbabwe								
    Decade  	Bat Av	Bowl Av	Gbat	Gbowl	Bat Ab	Bowl Ab	PI	OI
    1990s 	 	24.4	36.05	29.78	33.96	0.82	0.94	0.88	0.88
    2000s 	 	24.94	43.46	32.36	33.66	0.77	0.77	0.77	0.77
    SAF in 1930s and 1940s and WI in 1930s were just a bit better than what SL was in 1980s.
    Last edited by Migara; 02-03-2013 at 06:59 PM.
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