Nathan Lyon deserves more respect - Page 11

Prince EWS · 25-02-2013, 05:03 AM

Smith is about as much a bowler as Warner at the moment. He gave up bowling altogether for basically the whole season. He's on tour as a spare bat.

Daemon · 25-02-2013, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber

Jono is bang on with what he says there. The Aussies have to drop a paceman (probably be Starc) and play an extra spinner (Smith) if only to strengthen the batting a bit and give Lyon a hand with the spin department.

India are vulnerable, they showed that against England as Sehwag and Tendulkar are clearly in decline and even without Gambhir the openers look suspect so early wickets are always likely in an innings to keep the Aussies in a game. It just happens that when the game looked fairly level Dhoni played his greatest ever knock and virtually won the game in a few hours.

Kneejerk wholesale changes are the last thing Australia need at present, just one less paceman and an extra spinner and maybe carry one less passenger bat who is clueless against spin (if Watson can't bowl he brings nothing to the team on a tour like this) as surely Usman can play it a bit better than Watto?

Smith can't bowl and as much as I love Usman, he's not a better batsmen than Watson.

flibbertyjibber · 25-02-2013, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Smith is about as much a bowler as Warner at the moment. He gave up bowling altogether for basically the whole season. He's on tour as a spare bat.

Be more use on those pitches than a paceman though presuming that they don't play on one like Kolkata a few months ago.

flibbertyjibber · 25-02-2013, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Smith can't bowl and as much as I love Usman, he's not a better batsmen than Watson.

Doherty it is then.

Though he'd have more chance of wickets on these pitches than Siddle and Starc would.

Prince EWS · 25-02-2013, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber

Be more use on those pitches than a paceman though presuming that they don't play on one like Kolkata a few months ago.

As much as I don't think they're within six or seven levels of being Test standard bowlers, both Doherty and Maxwell are better bwleors than Smith at the moment.

Daemon · 25-02-2013, 05:09 AM

Any clips of O'Keefe bowling? Is he really that bad that his stats can completely be disregarded?

Spikey · 25-02-2013, 05:28 AM

he's not bad. he's just so meh. he doesn't catch the eyes. doesn't excite. doesn't make you stand up and say "that's a test cricketer". which is btw how we pick our spinners nowadays. and then consider that SOK was horrible last season (average of 50+, SR of like 150 in 7 games). like to the extent every ****er who said "nup. this guy ain't a test cricketer" would have been laughing to the bank. he basically undid all his good work stats wise last season. he's starting from scratch. if he had the season doherty had last season (average of 25-30) he'd be there, doubts over him and all. but last season he proved those doubts.

anyway there's like two balls in here Pietersen Fails Again : Ashes - YouTube

social · 25-02-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikey

he's not bad. he's just so meh. he doesn't catch the eyes. doesn't excite. doesn't make you stand up and say "that's a test cricketer". which is btw how we pick our spinners nowadays. and then consider that SOK was horrible last season (average of 50+, SR of like 150 in 7 games). like to the extent every ****er who said "nup. this guy ain't a test cricketer" would have been laughing to the bank. he basically undid all his good work stats wise last season. he's starting from scratch. if he had the season doherty had last season (average of 25-30) he'd be there, doubts over him and all. but last season he proved those doubts.

anyway there's like two balls in here Pietersen Fails Again : Ashes - YouTube

Bit rough when you consider that he has taken 17 wickets @ 26 this season whilst Doherty has taken 2 @ 80

Daemon · 25-02-2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikey

he's not bad. he's just so meh. he doesn't catch the eyes. doesn't excite. doesn't make you stand up and say "that's a test cricketer". which is btw how we pick our spinners nowadays. and then consider that SOK was horrible last season (average of 50+, SR of like 150 in 7 games). like to the extent every ****er who said "nup. this guy ain't a test cricketer" would have been laughing to the bank. he basically undid all his good work stats wise last season. he's starting from scratch. if he had the season doherty had last season (average of 25-30) he'd be there, doubts over him and all. but last season he proved those doubts.

anyway there's like two balls in here Pietersen Fails Again : Ashes - YouTube

thanks, didn't know he had such a poor 2011/12. He's doing well atm though isn't he?

Spikey · 25-02-2013, 06:42 AM

couple of the papers are running with stuff like

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The whisper is that O'Keefe is out of favour with heavy hitters in Australian cricket. But using form as a barometer, he had to be on the plane.

today. now i find this hard to believe mainly because the dude got made NSW captain.......but i should note that i feel like the same thing got said about Copeland (perhaps be a user on here rather than in the papers.) after the new selection panel came in. it seems weird that two very similar bowlers (eg doing the goods at state level, don't scream test success) would get the hard to handle tag rather than the easy to handle at test level tag...

Prince EWS · 25-02-2013, 06:45 AM

Copeland's mother is much harder to handle than Copeland himself. Does him a great dis-service.

Spikey · 25-02-2013, 06:49 AM

i need to say a picture of her with an angry look on her face and standing outside the SCG before I believe that

Prince EWS · 25-02-2013, 06:51 AM

I could probably get you one tbh.

Spikey · 25-02-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andre

Yeah agreed. He's a very good bowler but realistically his average will rise over time, he just doesn't have that extra gear required to get really good players in all conditions.

That said, it's one thing getting favourable wickets, it's another to perform on them so he is no mug.

All aside, he's a guy who has an opinion on a lot of things and rightly or wrongly I've heard that hasn't helped his cause. Can occasionally happen with country boys.

knew it was Andre who said it. WAG

theegyptian · 25-02-2013, 07:47 AM

So Lyon gets smashed by Dhoni. It can happen to the best. Only a couple of months ago it was Dernbach.

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