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Originally Posted by John Singleton
So on a pitch where Graeme Swann would have been annoyed (to say the least) not to gt a side out for under 300 (and if Monty had the harness on as well the score would likely be a lot less) Lyon goes for well over 200 himself at 4.5 per over.
Not very 'respectable'.
It is a stretch to shoehorn positives out of 3-215, going at more than 4 and a half an over when the Indian spinners have 17 out of 17 Aussie wickets to fall. He won't be the first or last bowler to do that in India, true.
A spinner should be in the side to provide variety, take wickets when not much happens and when things are in their favour to win Test matches. Lyon hasn't really done a great deal besides clean up some tailenders and I really cannot fathom what the fuss is about. What exactly is his role in the Australian team?
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in hindsight it was silly to expect anything good outta a guy who was born in Young, moved to Canberra in his teens and then moved to Adelaide
Decent spinner in getting smashed by India shocker.
Some people seem to be forgetting Swann/Panesar were the exception, and that is why their performance is so lauded. Most of the time it's one way traffic when you put a spinner in front of India.
If ever a team could pick a time to tour India, this would be it. Their batting is still good but it's not really intimidating.
Scaly you are right about that. India are probably most vulnerable since 1999/2000.
But that doesn't mean Australia should drop Lyon or his place should be at risk, even if he couldn't make significant inroads against a vulnerable Indian batting lineup. Why? Because he out bowled Siddle and Starc. It doesn't matter that the pitches didn't suit them, they aren't for the next 3 tests either.
Lyon bowling reasonably poorly still looked more threatening than Starc and Siddle. Hence if a bowler i to be dropped for the next test, whether it be for a spinner or pace bowler, it should be Starc or Siddle.
Jono is bang on with what he says there. The Aussies have to drop a paceman (probably be Starc) and play an extra spinner (Smith) if only to strengthen the batting a bit and give Lyon a hand with the spin department.
India are vulnerable, they showed that against England as Sehwag and Tendulkar are clearly in decline and even without Gambhir the openers look suspect so early wickets are always likely in an innings to keep the Aussies in a game. It just happens that when the game looked fairly level Dhoni played his greatest ever knock and virtually won the game in a few hours.
Kneejerk wholesale changes are the last thing Australia need at present, just one less paceman and an extra spinner and maybe carry one less passenger bat who is clueless against spin (if Watson can't bowl he brings nothing to the team on a tour like this) as surely Usman can play it a bit better than Watto?
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